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Old Aug 5, 2017 | 1:03 pm
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Originally Posted by Kathrin
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Important as it is to know about that era in order to learn from it (more necessary than ever in nowadays' world!!!), I have little understanding for those who call themselves "history buffs", limit history to twelve years, and declare that thes "love" World War II history - which means they love mass murder, oppression and destruction???
Not sure why you are getting upset but world history has always been and always will fascinate some who have a passion to know more and understand more about our past. It is a never ending trait for a lot of people.

I think accepting Germany had a historically terrible past from 1935 till 1945 (if we don't include 32 and 33 when the NSDP came to power) and trying to understand why it happened, what transpired can help the future for youths to avoid getting into this terrible situation some countries in the world find themselves in where dictators are now coming into power, and demolishing the very fabric of democracy, which, I think Germany wants to ensure stay's for generations to come.

These are countries Germany has ties with and does economic business with as well.

Don't get angry if a tourist asks about the past; naive as they may be, at least they are showing an interest, as much as you and a lot of German's don't want to talk about it....but the more I read, the more I study, the more I understand about Germany, it's recovery from Post WW2 and how difficult it was to get to where it is today.

And the massive sacrifices that German's of the previous generations made to recover and put the country back on the road to recovery.

On a side note, I must state, I found a lot of Germans, especially in Munich, very unfriendly and very withdrawn. I don't know if this is because of the current tensions stemming from the recent flood of migrants into the country and the social problems it may/may not be causing but, because I am tanned and have dark hair, I got some very nasty (to me at least they were...and I felt totally unwanted in a shop or supermarket) stares from cashiers/car rental officers and individuals on the street thinking I was going to rape them or eat them.

Hotel staff were very friendly and accomodating but we also had a train staff whom we bought out daily tickets from for the 3 days we were there who was just so unhelpful and really not interested in ensuring we understood the S-bahn train system in Munich and didn't even suggest we get on a particular train from the airport into downtown Munich which actually had a station directly opposite one of the stations 2 stops away from the central station.

We ended up walking 2.5 kilometers with bags and kids in town.

It was not pleasant. And we decided to leave a day early as we just felt so unwanted in a city and state we were really excited to visit.

Bavaria is a beautiful beautiful region but.....

In comparison, people in Frankfurt and Sttutgart were so accomodating, friendly and helpful...it was a totally different perspective for us as a family.

We won't be visiting Bavaria again in the future sadly.
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Old Aug 5, 2017 | 1:05 pm
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Originally Posted by Flying Lawyer
Please allow a direct question: Do several US Americans only think about Nazi history when coming to Germany? The Kehlsteinhaus (what you guys call Eagle's nest) ist 250 km from Augsburg. Dachau is one of the smaller concentration camps and it was a Nazi prison, not a copy of Auschwitz. It is, if one wants to do it, 50 km away from Augsburg.

But honestly, your American fascination for the Nazi area is a bit disturbing for many of us here in Germany. How would the normal middle class US American feel if one would narrow of focus of the United States to slavery crimes, civil war, Guantanamo and the native Indian genocide? The US has so much more and so has Germany: a country with 2000 years of history and culture does not deserve to be limited to 12 years of its 2000 years.

And what fascinates me too: You Americans have a tendency to arrive somewhere with the intention to go on a another day trip traveling 500 km. Why that? There is so much to see in Augsburg and when you want to go somewhere else, Ulm is very close and Munich is very close.
You make a very very good point and it's something I have wondered myself during my short visit to Germany last week; how do German's feel about outsiders going on about the Nazi past and Germany's WW1 and WW2 history.

I had wanted to ask people we had met and had conversations with about this very topic but we sadly did not have much conversations with the people we met in Munich...it was not a pleasant trip for us and we opted to sadly leave a day early.

People there (in Munich) were not the most helpful/friendliest and welcoming in comparison to many other parts of Germany we had been to. Not sure why but....anyways.

Having said that, there is so much to see and do in beautiful Germany.

Nazi Past: I can understand your fustrations about this. Totally.
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Old Aug 5, 2017 | 1:21 pm
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Old Aug 5, 2017 | 1:33 pm
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Chinese tourists arrested for making Hitler salutes outside Reichstag

Berlin police detain two men after they photographed each other striking Nazi-era poses outside German parliament

Berlin police officers say they detained two men, aged 36 and 49, after they were seen striking the Nazi-era pose and photographing each other with their mobile phones.

They face charges for “using symbols of illegal organisations”, the police said in a statement, and were released after posting bail of €500 (450) each.

Germany has strict laws on hate speech and symbols linked to Hitler and the Nazis, who ruled between 1933 and 1945.

To read full article, visit; Link; https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...side-reichstag

**I suspect you had two idiots who potentially did not realize Germany does not share their keen interest in Nazi salutes in this day and age and thought it would be funny to pose doing those particular salutes.
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Old Aug 5, 2017 | 2:32 pm
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Originally Posted by wolf72
Chinese tourists arrested for making Hitler salutes outside Reichstag

Berlin police detain two men after they photographed each other striking Nazi-era poses outside German parliament

Berlin police officers say they detained two men, aged 36 and 49, after they were seen striking the Nazi-era pose and photographing each other with their mobile phones.

They face charges for using symbols of illegal organisations, the police said in a statement, and were released after posting bail of 500 (450) each.

Germany has strict laws on hate speech and symbols linked to Hitler and the Nazis, who ruled between 1933 and 1945.

To read full article, visit; Link; https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...side-reichstag

**I suspect you had two idiots who potentially did not realize Germany does not share their keen interest in Nazi salutes in this day and age and thought it would be funny to pose doing those particular salutes.
We were kind enough to let them out on bail. For comparable action in the PRC, which would have even been in line with the ideas of the free world, they would have enjoyed a few years in prison.
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