Go Back  FlyerTalk Forums > Destinations > Europe > Germany
Reload this Page >

CGN closed after security breach

Community
Wiki Posts
Search

CGN closed after security breach

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old May 30, 2016 | 4:53 am
  #1  
Original Poster
All eyes on you!
10 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: next to HAM
Programs: LH M+M
Posts: 974
CGN closed after security breach

Terminal 1 is being evacuated, all flights stopped or returning from taxi to gate.

http://www.ksta.de/koeln/grossalarm-...uiert-24140116
PAX_fips is offline  
Old May 30, 2016 | 6:38 am
  #2  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
10 Countries Visited
20 Countries Visited
30 Countries Visited
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Capetown
Programs: Marriott LT Plat, IHG and Hilton Diamond, LH LT SEN, QR Platinum. BA Silver (going down further)
Posts: 10,235
12:08 Uhr: Passagiere sitzen in Maschinen fest

Alle Flugzeuge von Terminal 1 mssen zur Sicherheit vom Rollfeld zurck in ihre Parkposition. Die Passagiere mssen an Bord ihrer Maschinen bleiben, so die Durchsagen in den Flugzeugen. Man vertreibe sich die Zeit damit, mgliche Entschdigungen auszurechnen, schreibt einer unserer Reporter, der in einer Germanwings-Maschine festsitzt.
Obviously too many Flyertalker around. However, this appears to be a nice example of extraordinary circumstances.
Flying Lawyer is offline  
Old May 30, 2016 | 7:51 am
  #3  
Original Poster
All eyes on you!
10 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: next to HAM
Programs: LH M+M
Posts: 974
Had a laugh on that one, too.

Anyway, "Situation green" now.
A 62y.o. spaniard "tried to rush to his plane" through some door he wasnt supposed to to use.
Right.. a door any older can use and that results in several thousands being held aground.

Who is the terrist here? :-P
PAX_fips is offline  
Old May 30, 2016 | 8:13 am
  #4  
10 Countries Visited
20 Countries Visited
30 Countries Visited
10 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Programs: LH SEN; BA Gold
Posts: 8,437
Originally Posted by Flying Lawyer
..., this appears to be a nice example of extraordinary circumstances.
That solely depends on who and on what basis you are seeking compensation. Compensation according to 261/04 will certainly be out of the picture. You could however sue that moron that got the airport to a screeching halt. Obviously you would need to proof that you suffered a damage for which the moron is responsible.

The situation certainly show how bad the security management is at the airport, given that this shouldn't happen under any circumstance.
WorldLux is offline  
Old May 30, 2016 | 8:35 am
  #5  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
10 Countries Visited
20 Countries Visited
30 Countries Visited
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Capetown
Programs: Marriott LT Plat, IHG and Hilton Diamond, LH LT SEN, QR Platinum. BA Silver (going down further)
Posts: 10,235
Originally Posted by WorldLux
That solely depends on who and on what basis you are seeking compensation. Compensation according to 261/04 will certainly be out of the picture. You could however sue that moron that got the airport to a screeching halt. Obviously you would need to proof that you suffered a damage for which the moron is responsible.

The situation certainly show how bad the security management is at the airport, given that this shouldn't happen under any circumstance.
Unfortunately (or fortunately for the most of us) you are incorrect. As a pax you do not have any contractual relationship with the moron and a tort case under German law would require a breach of one of the absolute rights mentioned in section 823 of the German Civil Code:

A person who, intentionally or negligently, unlawfully injures the life, body, health, freedom, property or another right of another person is liable to make compensation to the other party for the damage arising from this
I said "fortunately" because you might wish to imagine that you are responsible for a traffic accident on a main motorway and everybody in the traffic jam caused by you could sue you for damages. Pretty uncomfortable, ain't it?
Flying Lawyer is offline  
Old May 30, 2016 | 9:34 am
  #6  
Original Poster
All eyes on you!
10 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: next to HAM
Programs: LH M+M
Posts: 974
Originally Posted by WorldLux
..management is at the airport, given that this shouldn't happen under any circumstance.
CGN has a really bad track record the last months.. including a possibility to download (all?) the security measures from the internet (from their own page, not via leaks).
Maybe that spaniard was just very well informed?
PAX_fips is offline  
Old May 30, 2016 | 10:35 am
  #7  
10 Countries Visited
20 Countries Visited
30 Countries Visited
10 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Programs: LH SEN; BA Gold
Posts: 8,437
Originally Posted by Flying Lawyer
Unfortunately (or fortunately for the most of us) you are incorrect.
I was generally speaking. Obviously, you need to fulfill the local legislative criteria in order to demand reparation of your prejudice. The chances to proof a sufficient causality between the prejudice and the triggering event are in this case slim to none. It would be pretty similar in the case of you getting late to work due to a traffic accident.

But that (and you should probably know that) doesn't stop people from suing or at least claiming the money. Success of their action is another pair of shoes.
WorldLux is offline  
Old May 30, 2016 | 11:20 am
  #8  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Community Builder
All eyes on you!
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Germany
Programs: Some
Posts: 13,109
Originally Posted by Flying Lawyer
Unfortunately (or fortunately for the most of us) you are incorrect. As a pax you do not have any contractual relationship with the moron and a tort case under German law would require a breach of one of the absolute rights mentioned in section 823 of the German Civil Code:
@ 823 I: I guess someone will try to claim compensation because of restrictions of personal liberty
offerendum is offline  
Old May 30, 2016 | 11:30 am
  #9  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Community Builder
All eyes on you!
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Germany
Programs: Some
Posts: 13,109
Originally Posted by Flying Lawyer
I said "fortunately" because you might wish to imagine that you are responsible for a traffic accident on a main motorway and everybody in the traffic jam caused by you could sue you for damages. Pretty uncomfortable, ain't it?
Originally Posted by WorldLux
But that (and you should probably know that) doesn't stop people from suing or at least claiming the money. Success of their action is another pair of shoes.
So true.... Found a funny case AG Achim, 10 C 632/05 (German only, sorry). Sometime I dont have words

But: AG Bad Segeberg, 17 C 96/11
offerendum is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.