Originally Posted by mag
(Post 15825340)
I always assumed that it is rooted in sauna culture / Finland.
Since I grew up in India where the climate was a sauna for a few months a year (incl no serious electricity in the village for about 5 years) I don't really get the joy of making yourself sweat on purpose. My wife loves it, but is very private. What the germans do in the sauna shock her :) |
Originally Posted by oliver2002
(Post 15833445)
What the germans do in the sauna shock her :)
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Originally Posted by pititom
(Post 15832402)
Indeed, I saw it in other countries (never in Italy though). My question was more why is it ENFORCED in Germany, while it is more a choice in other countries.
If few people in a sauna would be naked or wouldn't be naked (doesn't matter, actually), those few that are different cause everyone else to feel that they think they are better. Hence, it's considered to be rude to be different (actually, being different is OK, showing that you are different is what's problematic). Arguing with your feeling of being inferior due to the behavior of others isn't going to work well. Therefore there are rules that people can refer to when they think that someone isn't behaving appropriately. If it's printed, there's little room for discussions and interpretations. The fact that you have to be nude in a German sauna is just an accident. It could just as well have been that you have to wear a red hat. It doesn't matter, as long as everyone behaves the same and this behavior can easily be requested. This behavior isn't limited to saunas, but that would be an entirely different (political) discussion. |
Originally Posted by pititom
(Post 15832385)
But it only answers the sauna question. Why also in the jacuzzi or hammam, which are wood free ? Also, why do other people bother so much if you keep your swimsuit and seat on a towel ?
Just guess what would happen, if a clothed man would regularly stare at naked women in the sauna. But if he is nude as well, the women can at least stare back. ;) |
Originally Posted by RussianTexan
(Post 15829294)
I am totally putting a sauna on my to-do list for Germany. Wow, didn't even think about it. This is gonna be great!
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Originally Posted by rotanes
(Post 15838931)
Welcome to german saunas! Hopefully your visit will be helpful in dropping the average age of sauna visitors below the current 70+ level....
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Originally Posted by HAM76
(Post 15834610)
Two German traits come together in a sauna. One is believing in rules, the other one the preference of everyone being similar.
If few people in a sauna would be naked or wouldn't be naked (doesn't matter, actually), those few that are different cause everyone else to feel that they think they are better. Hence, it's considered to be rude to be different (actually, being different is OK, showing that you are different is what's problematic). Arguing with your feeling of being inferior due to the behavior of others isn't going to work well. Therefore there are rules that people can refer to when they think that someone isn't behaving appropriately. If it's printed, there's little room for discussions and interpretations. The fact that you have to be nude in a German sauna is just an accident. It could just as well have been that you have to wear a red hat. It doesn't matter, as long as everyone behaves the same and this behavior can easily be requested. This behavior isn't limited to saunas, but that would be an entirely different (political) discussion. |
Originally Posted by totti
(Post 15843985)
Do you have any sociological evidence or indeed any other evidence for your claim? To me, this seems to be stereotypes and prejudice at its best...
Is there evidence out there to show that in Germany we favor compromises of conflicts, equality of elitism, problems over opportunities, rules over discussions... yes. You only have to open a news paper and read the discussions about school systems, or listen to some political discussions. Or, just talk with people, or observe their behavior. |
It really comes down to cultural differences. If you don't feel comfortable with adopting the local culture, albeit temporarily, then don't take part in the activity.
But if you do, and even if that means getting out of your comfort zone, you might discover that you actually enjoy the experience and benefit from it. (Of course, I'm assuming that you are sensible in your choice of activity avoiding unnecessary risks etc!) The world is full of rich and different experiences. Embrace them but don't do yourself any harm! |
Originally Posted by totti
(Post 15843985)
Do you have any sociological evidence or indeed any other evidence for your claim? To me, this seems to be stereotypes and prejudice at its best...
Even Stalin mentioned: "There won't be a revolution in germany, as you have to step on the lawn" Refering to the many signs in parks not to do so. This post is not intented to qualify for any Godwin point. |
Originally Posted by Jack Napier
(Post 15851583)
Even Stalin mentioned: "There won't be a revolution in germany, as you have to step on the lawn"
Refering to the many signs in parks not to do so. This post is not intented to qualify for any Godwin point. |
Originally Posted by HAM76
(Post 15834610)
Two German traits come together in a sauna. One is believing in rules, the other one the preference of everyone being similar.
So thanks again ! And for "Alsacienne", asking "why ?" never implied that I judge the practise as bad or good. It just means that I am curious about it. |
Originally Posted by pititom
(Post 15824564)
is a non-sense.
Originally Posted by pititom
(Post 15824564)
the hygienic non-sense
Originally Posted by pititom
(Post 15824564)
the systematic (and unfounded) answer about hygiene
Let me explain it more detailed: The typical sequence in a sauna is
If somebody wears clothes in the heating room, the main purpose of the shower - to be clean for the next steps like jumping in the pool to cool down - is suspended. The only way to avoid negative hygienic impacts would be to enter the heating room with fresh and dry clothes und not to use any facilities inside the bath after the heating turn. In countries where entering the sauna with clothes is allowed, the temperature of the heating room is maybe not as high as it is in Germany or Finland. A steam bath has a temperature of about 40° which is not much more than a whirlpool.
Originally Posted by pititom
(Post 15824564)
Or do you change towel after every sauna ?
For a similar hygienic reason as described above it is prohibited in many bath and pools in Germany to wear those knee-long swimming trunks (german article) for swimming. |
Originally Posted by hann
(Post 15869375)
prohibited in many bath and pools in Germany to wear those knee-long swimming trunks (german article) for swimming.
The article also states that those knee-long swimming trunks are prohibited in some, not in many swimming pools. |
Originally Posted by pititom
(Post 15861226)
the systematic (and unfounded) answer about hygiene I was given (even before asking here) was clearly a popular belief
However, I don't think hygiene is the actual reason to demand nuditiy in saunas. It's kind of difficult to explain that we think that 70°C is hot enough to kill germs in food, 95°C to kill them in towels, but 90-110°C in a sauna aren't. |
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