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Old May 10, 2010 | 11:49 pm
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Originally Posted by soitgoes
That's fine for IC, EC, and ICE trains, but regional trains require tickets prior to boarding. On these routes there is no ticket collection, but, rather, spot ticket inspections.
Have to disagree there. I have bought a ticket onboard the RE 1, was traveling from Cologne to DUS. Must have been sometime in January this year.

Not sure about S-Bahn trains though, but I advise against taking those between Cologne and Dusseldorf anyways.

But, as said before, I do agree with the previous posters that buying onboard is more of a last-resort measure.
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Old May 10, 2010 | 11:53 pm
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Have to disagree there. I have bought a ticket onboard the RE 1, was traveling from Cologne to DUS. Must have been sometime in January this year.
You just got lucky, maybe because you proactively approached the conductor. Sometimes on the regionals you won't be able to find a conductor.

Rules (if you read German, if not you can use the flags at the top to show a decent Google translate version):
http://www.bus-und-bahn.de/bestimmungen.html
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Old May 11, 2010 | 12:00 am
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Originally Posted by soitgoes
You just got lucky, maybe because you proactively approached the conductor. Sometimes on the regionals you won't be able to find a conductor.
Of course I proactively told him I need a ticket when he came around. As I said above, its important to inform him rightaway that you need a ticket.
If theres noone around, thats different, of course, but then that would mean no checks either.

Thanks for the link , I was not aware of the website. If you look at section 7.1, paragraph 2:

(2) Beim Einsteigen muss der Fahrgast einen fr die gesamte Fahrt gltigen Fahrausweis haben. Falls nicht, muss er diesen unverzglich und unaufgefordert lsen. Ein Fahrausweiskauf in den Zgen der EVU bzw. Stadt- und Straenbahnen ist dabei nur ausnahmsweise dort mglich, wo mobile Fahrausweisautomaten eingesetzt werden oder ein Fahrausweisverkauf beim Fahrer von Stadt- und Straenbahnen stattfindet; ansonsten ist er ausgeschlossen

RE trains are staffed with DB personnel so they have ticket selling capability.

But in any case, to get back to the OPs question, I do not mean to promote buying on board as the best way - it is merely a decent backup in case time is scarce. Usually, I also prefer the ticket machines.

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Old May 11, 2010 | 5:28 am
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Originally Posted by hwmorth
(2) Beim Einsteigen muss der Fahrgast einen fr die gesamte Fahrt gltigen Fahrausweis haben. Falls nicht, muss er diesen unverzglich und unaufgefordert lsen. Ein Fahrausweiskauf in den Zgen der EVU bzw. Stadt- und Straenbahnen ist dabei nur ausnahmsweise dort mglich, wo mobile Fahrausweisautomaten eingesetzt werden oder ein Fahrausweisverkauf beim Fahrer von Stadt- und Straenbahnen stattfindet; ansonsten ist er ausgeschlossen

RE trains are staffed with DB personnel so they have ticket selling capability.
I do not know whether your reading of German in Switzerland is different from mine in the heart of the relevant state, but the language is pretty clear and it is certainly not what you say:

You need to have valid ticket when boarding regional train in NRW unless:

- there is a vending machine on the train
- the driver of a tram or expedited tram (= Stadtbahn) sells tickets

DB staff is neither "a vending machine on the train" nor "the driver" of the unit, so you need a ticket. Full stop. The conductors on the RE1 have the opportunity to sell tickets a to deal (a) with dumb but bona fide tourists or deal (b) with the situation that there was no vending or a defect vending machine at an intermediate station.
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Old May 11, 2010 | 6:58 am
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Full reverse.

Originally Posted by Flying Lawyer
I do not know whether your reading of German in Switzerland is different from mine in the heart of the relevant state, but the language is pretty clear and it is certainly not what you say:

You need to have valid ticket when boarding regional train in NRW unless:

- there is a vending machine on the train
- the driver of a tram or expedited tram (= Stadtbahn) sells tickets

DB staff is neither "a vending machine on the train" nor "the driver" of the unit, so you need a ticket. Full stop. The conductors on the RE1 have the opportunity to sell tickets a to deal (a) with dumb but bona fide tourists or deal (b) with the situation that there was no vending or a defect vending machine at an intermediate station.
Nice to see this heating up a bit

I was in fact also looking at the passage

"Falls nicht, muss er diesen unverzglich und unaufgefordert lsen."

However, in my quest to be right I came across http://www.db-fahrpreisnacherhebung....eit/index.html where it says

"Nachlsung im Zug
Grundstzlich muss der Reisende bei Antritt der Reise mit einer Fahrkarte versehen sein. Eine Nachlsung im Zug ist nur im Fernverkehr (ICE/IC/EC) mglich. In Verkehrsverbnden ist das Nachlsen im Zug generell ausgeschlossen."

Since this is a DB site I assume it has some sort of final say over the DB procedures (the NRW page being made to cover a wide range of applications, including RUs others than DB, is of course worded in a way that has the common to all operators, but thus, least, rights). This, I assume, puts an end to this discussion.

So, if the OP is still reading: Buy-onboard normally only works on IC/EC/ICE trains. Sorry for the confusion - I was working with my experiences. But of course, I will now go ahead and recommend those IC/EC/ICE trains for their onboard bar with beer on tap
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Old May 11, 2010 | 7:05 am
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Originally Posted by hwmorth
"Falls nicht, muss er diesen unverzglich und unaufgefordert lsen."
No heat, plain legal language. The web page is crystal clear:

(a) You need to have a ticket for every public transport vehicle....
(b) If you do not have one, you need to buy one onboard....
(c) You can't buy one onboard of trains and trams....
(d) unless the driver sells tickets or there is a vending machine.....
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Old May 11, 2010 | 11:22 pm
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Another option to keep in mind during planning is staying the 2nd night in Duisberg and catching a train or taxi down to DUS in the morning.

Why would you want to do this? It might be less expensive than staying in Dusselsdorf or Cologne, depending on if there are any special events going on in either of those towns.
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Old May 12, 2010 | 2:24 am
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Originally Posted by etch5895
Another option to keep in mind during planning is staying the 2nd night in Duisberg and catching a train or taxi down to DUS in the morning.

Why would you want to do this? It might be less expensive than staying in Dusselsdorf or Cologne, depending on if there are any special events going on in either of those towns.
Depsite the fact, why would someone stay there, it's Duisburg.
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Old May 12, 2010 | 2:29 am
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Originally Posted by FLYGVA
Depsite the fact, why would someone stay there, it's Duisburg.
If etch5895 goes to "Dusselsdorf", he could give "Duisberg" a try, too. Nothing wrong with that city, I had to spend close to two years with the local court there (and survived) and the remark about (a) hotel rates and (b) the proximity to "Dusselsdorf" is certainly correct.

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Old May 12, 2010 | 3:46 am
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Originally Posted by Flying Lawyer
If etch5895 goes to "Dusselsdorf", he could give "Duisberg" a try, too. Nothing wrong with that city, I had to spend close to two years with the local court there (and survived) and the remark about (a) hotel rates and (b) the proximity to "Dusselsdorf" is certaibly correct.
You've got me. I've got a pretty bad head cold and I wasn't paying attention to my spelling or my umlauts.
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Old May 12, 2010 | 12:58 pm
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Originally Posted by FLYGVA
Depsite the fact, why would someone stay there, it's Duisburg.
Well, if he is only in town for a conference or meeting, and doesn't really feel a need to stay in the latest trendy Dsseldorf hotel at 200 euro a night + 50 euro for the meal and drinks, but instead opts to bed down in the Ibis Duisburg at 60 euro a night plus 6 euro for the Dner and beer, he will probably come out ahead financially. His trip seems too short for much sightseeing.
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Old May 13, 2010 | 2:29 am
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Originally Posted by etch5895
Well, if he is only in town for a conference or meeting, and doesn't really feel a need to stay in the latest trendy Dsseldorf hotel at 200 euro a night + 50 euro for the meal and drinks, but instead opts to bed down in the Ibis Duisburg at 60 euro a night plus 6 euro for the Dner and beer, he will probably come out ahead financially. His trip seems too short for much sightseeing.
Agreed, however if so, the Sheraton at the airport or the Holiday Inn in Ratingen will certainly do the trick too. The Sheraton is in the airport and the Holiday Inn offers a free shuttle.
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Old May 13, 2010 | 10:05 am
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Smile Thanks all for the info, here's my "report"

Stayed first night @ Cologne-Mullheim HI express, traveled a bit near the train station when I was done with my meetings.
I really liked the luggage storage @ the train station!

Took the train to DUS Hbf and stayed in the HI close to it, walked to the old city area - man, you DUS guys know how to party - the area was PACKED with people going out, eating, drinking and generally having some good time.

Ended up taking a taxi in the morning to DUS, spent some time in the Biz lounge in which I declined the many alcoholic temptations so early in the morning...
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Old May 13, 2010 | 3:10 pm
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Originally Posted by Flying Lawyer
The regional express departing at -31 and -49 past every hour has four extra stops on its way (Deutz, Mlheim, Leverkusen Benrath) and that requires an extra 10 minutes. The fare is by far cheaper and these double decker trains give you good sights.
The fare (hbf to hbf) appears to be 9,80 for the RE, 11,00 for the IC/EC, and 16,50 for the ICE. If buying a single ticket and the next train was an IC or EC, I'd take that rather than wait around for the next RE.
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Old May 13, 2010 | 7:15 pm
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Originally Posted by ranshe
Stayed first night @ Cologne-Mullheim HI express, traveled a bit near the train station when I was done with my meetings.
I really liked the luggage storage @ the train station!

Took the train to DUS Hbf and stayed in the HI close to it, walked to the old city area - man, you DUS guys know how to party - the area was PACKED with people going out, eating, drinking and generally having some good time.

Ended up taking a taxi in the morning to DUS, spent some time in the Biz lounge in which I declined the many alcoholic temptations so early in the morning...
Sounds good, you got the best out of it.

Thanks for exactly reporting back, I wish so many more would do that! ^^
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