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Old Jul 15, 2018 | 3:25 pm
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F9 Manipulating On-Time Statistics?

Look I love the low fares Frontier provides as much as the next guy... but lately with their horrid on-time performance and cancellations, I find it interesting that on virtually no flights can you find on-time statistics when purchasing your flight on their website.

Great example: DEN-DCA. These flights have operated for over a decade at almost the exact same times every day; the only thing that has changed are the flight numbers. Yet, when you try to book on the website, you get this classic message "*No Data Available New Flight Schedule or Flight Minimally Operated for Reporting Month". This isn't just on that route either... it's everywhere you look! I can understand 2x weekly frequencies, but certainly not on ones that operate 3x a day like DEN-DCA/LAS/etc.

By the way... neither of the conditions in their disclaimer is true... the flights to DCA for example have had an almost identical schedule for years and operate daily. Southwest estimates past on-time percentage based on flights that could be hours different from the new schedule... F9 seems to claim "sorry...not reporting it" for flights that change by mere minutes.

I'm a bit ranty because they just cancelled my flight later today (conveniently on DEN-DCA) and cancelled a friend's earlier this week, and clearly this is an airline operating way too thin at the moment. But I still think this warrants discussion...seems very suspicious to me.
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Old Jul 16, 2018 | 10:04 pm
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How interesting... today I see on-time statistics for every flight I'm looking at

One must wonder if somebody at F9 reads FT after all
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Old Jul 22, 2018 | 7:53 am
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Originally Posted by jk88usa
F9 seems to claim "sorry...not reporting it" for flights that change by mere minutes.
That would be a violation of the Federal regulation that requires carriers to report on-time performance and display it to customers. Flight schedule changes by less than 30 minutes and the 'old' performance is reported. Changing the flight number doesn't do anything, either - an FT myth beloved by cynics.

Originally Posted by jk88usa
Southwest estimates past on-time percentage based on flights that could be hours different from the new schedule.
I doubt that. The reporting requirements are very specific.​​​​​​​
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Old Jul 22, 2018 | 5:45 pm
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That would be a violation of the Federal regulation that requires carriers to report on-time performance and display it to customers. Flight schedule changes by less than 30 minutes and the 'old' performance is reported. Changing the flight number doesn't do anything, either - an FT myth beloved by cynics.
Well... I'm fully aware it's a "violation" if they don't report it, but they either have a website glitch they don't bother to fix or they are finding a way to get around reporting it. Here's a great example... another DEN-DCA flight for next week and this is what you see. It was fixed a day after I posted, now it's back.

I would guess website glitch, but who knows. And again, this flight has operated within 30 minutes of this timeframe for over a decade, "minimally operated" does not apply




I doubt that. The reporting requirements are very specific.
Here's a great, simple example to check out. Look at Southwests BNA-DEN flights for weekdays this month and last, and you'll see there's only nonstops at 515p and 1030p. But next month, there's only one at 730p, yet they estimate an on-time percentage from some performance this past month - don't know how they do it, but they do - so obviously at least they try...

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