Originally Posted by iahphx
(Post 23979623)
Frontier is not a publicly traded company, which is probably good for them because the analysts would undoubtedly pound them mercilessly for not having a coherent business strategy. If 1x out of PHL is their best opportunity, it's going to be a difficult year for them. That said, it is such a fantastic time to be a USA airline right now that it's almost unimaginable to me how Frontier could lose money even if their business strategy is awful.
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Originally Posted by iahphx
(Post 23979623)
If 1x out of PHL is their best opportunity, it's going to be a difficult year for them.
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PHL-DFW was one route where US is price matching NK's single flight for advance purchase fares.
NK loads are still very high for it's flight on that route. I guess that last minute fares are still cheaper on NK than on US and the network carriers, that NK can fill up the single daily flight and maybe profitably enough. Even AA's site now has reduced roundtrips but US's site tends to show lower fares, including reduced one-ways and it was where it was originally matched. I believe WN also matches via one-stops and is matching ex BWI. Actually PHL-LAS fares for advance purchase aren't as low as BWI-LAS advance. I see that WN has many $99 one-ways on BWI-LAS. I wonder if very low fares on BWI-LAS is affecting the attractiveness and yield potential of F9 on IAD-LAS, especially for a 5hr leisure flight, if pax in areas of DC look at both BWI and IAD. BWI has more overlap with IAD than PHL in customer pull. I saw some below $80 IAD-LAS fares on Frontier. Both seem too low really and I'd think BWI/IAD-LAS should be priced higher than MDW/ORD-LAS or ATL-LAS but that isn't the case. In the meantime, enjoy the low fares if you're flexible using WAS area airports. |
Originally Posted by rtalk25
(Post 23234125)
I also think PIT would be a good market for F9 and it could do maybe ORD-PIT-ILG daily, although F9 seems reluctant to offer through flights. PIT is a big market from the Philly region, however, and the drive sucks in the winter, and it'd make up for the loss of TTN-CLE as pax will rent a car from PIT to drive to CLE if low fare service was there to PIT.
However, I don't think folks in Pittsburgh are going to drive to CLE to fly to TTN. Two driving hours + flight isn't much better than five driving hours. |
Originally Posted by flyallegheny
(Post 24591723)
From your typing fingers to God's ears. PIT-TTN would be wonderful. Fares from PIT to PHL on AA/US are exorbitant, and PIT-NYC can get pricy, too.
However, I don't think folks in Pittsburgh are going to drive to CLE to fly to TTN. Two driving hours + flight isn't much better than five driving hours. Maybe it'd consider PHL-YNG (as a sub for PIT and CLE) where US doesn't have a presence? Yeah right... ;) I was actually thinking if CLT is being fare matched as a fortress hub, there is Concord, NC airport although Allegiant seems to have already gone in there with Florida service. |
Originally Posted by rtalk25
(Post 24599484)
I don't think Frontier at TTN will have the capacity to add PIT...since the number of flights it can offer from TTN is just around ten daily.
Originally Posted by rtalk25
(Post 24599484)
At PHL, it is being fare matched against US/AA on routes like PHL-CLT for the roundtrips, although I notice that US is not fare matching PHL-CLT one-way trips.
Originally Posted by rtalk25
(Post 24599484)
Maybe it'd consider PHL-YNG (as a sub for PIT and CLE) where US doesn't have a presence? Yeah right... ;) I was actually thinking if CLT is being fare matched as a fortress hub, there is Concord, NC airport although Allegiant seems to have already gone in there with Florida service.
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Originally Posted by rtalk25
(Post 24599484)
TTN-CLE is already deleted at this point. I don't think Frontier at TTN will have the capacity to add PIT. It probably should make UST or RDU daily but can't even accommodate that, since the number of flights it can offer from TTN is just around ten daily. At PHL, it is being fare matched against US/AA on routes like PHL-CLT for the roundtrips, although I notice that US is not fare matching PHL-CLT one-way trips. Although most pax probably opt for round-trips. I don't know how successful Frontier is so far on PHL-CLT or in general, against US competing on one of US' short-haul high frequency routes
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Originally Posted by CMK10
(Post 24599651)
TTN-RDU is daily though.
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Originally Posted by flyallegheny
(Post 24599564)
Why is this?
I noticed that, too. Interesting. There's not enough traffic to justify YNG. I say this selfishly, but PIT-TTN would have way more traffic than YNG-PHL. PHL-USA (that's Concord, NC) may be viable, especially if the rental car companies waive the one-way fee on cars to/from CLT. USA is reasonably close to downtown CLT and also close to the I-77 business corridor north of the city (Lowe's, NASCAR, etc.). Anyways, I saw that Allegiant has a Concord (USA)-SFB flight and its $34 one-way with a debit card. I saw that a pickup from a branch near CLT airport to Concord, NC resulted in a below $50 one-way car rental which wasn't bad. |
Originally Posted by rtalk25
(Post 24599660)
Not in April.
Of course that could just be FlyFrontier.com being its usual self :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by CMK10
(Post 24599688)
I'm looking at FlyFrontier.com right now and not a single day shows "Grayed Day = No Service" and that's for April and May and all the way until the end of schedule.
Of course that could just be FlyFrontier.com being its usual self :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by flyallegheny
(Post 24599564)
Why is this?
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Originally Posted by rtalk25
(Post 24599740)
TTN is a small airport with 2 gates only.
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Originally Posted by flyallegheny
(Post 24599771)
Frontier is the only airline at TTN. With two gates they can only turn 10 flights per day?
On a side note, I've noticed the website is being tweaked and improved: 1. The site is more responsive that I can type in TTN (for example) for From, and ORD for To, and it will search. When the site rolled out after the change the full text of the airport, e.g. Trenton, NJ (TTN) had to be selected and visible in order for the search to work. 2. A search on TTN-ORD displays: "The route you have selected operates seasonally, use calendar below to see available dates." So, I assume Frontier will not be offering the 2-3x weekly in the off season for TTN- Chicago. Central to Northern NJ area customers might not support the PHL-ORD option but Southwest offers low fares if booked 3 weeks in advance out of EWR, and United has weekly specials though not permitting a Sunday return. It would have been interesting if it just kept Sunday service on TTN-ORD and ORD-TTN during the offseason, with Sunday being a heavy travel day for return to home traffic for the leisure traffic. When Frontier had TTN-MDW on Sunday, fares were generally strong on that day. But maybe impractical to offer a 1x weekly for Sunday only. It will be interesting if it keeps ORD-PHL daily as Spirit has extended the route past Labor Day, and United and Southwest were fare matching. I think Southwest might back off eventually of the low fare discounting however. |
Originally Posted by rtalk25
(Post 24599974)
I believe so. Perhaps a couple more flights, but I'll defer that to question to jerseyguy.
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