Community
Wiki Posts
Search

Cleveland's future

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jun 16, 2014 | 11:06 pm
  #1  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Programs: Delta Skymiles, Rapid Rewards, Hilton Honors
Posts: 14
Cleveland's future

Alright last I posted was the addition of Atlanta and the other additions. Then they add Dallas and Vegas, and now big mid and east coast lga, iAd, and ord. Cleveland is going to continue growing. They've already hinted at further growth this summer. Here is my expectations. Load factors are really
Good according to frontier spokesmen, and that means increased frequency. We're not like Wilmington where it's operating like allegiant on steroids. CLE is a legit market that can support daily flights with connecting banks! Very simple! They've already taken interest in long and short range routes, medium and large cities alike, it's going to continue to grow, I fear with IAD growth we may have to compete for attention, however Cleveland will be so willing to do anything thT I think well get the growth more, cheaper and more opertunity. If we grow to daily service, there really is no limit other than aircraft as to what routes can be added next.
Personally I'd like to see
MKE (united kept it, must be strong passenger loads)
ALB (something made united still want it when they announced the first round of cuts)
Wilmington (compliment the existing focus city)
SFO, LAX, SAN let's get some west coast action, they'll make big money)
UST (no daily, but a nice 3X weekly could work for sure)
TPA

I feel a lot more could work, time will tell! Long live CLE!
15bachman is offline  
Old Jun 16, 2014 | 11:11 pm
  #2  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Atherton, CA
Programs: UA 1K, AA EXP; Owner, Green Bay Packers
Posts: 21,685
Originally Posted by 15bachman
Cleveland's future
Here's the lowdown:

Unfortunately, the Cleveland show has been cancelled, but Cleveland will return to Quahog and rejoin his buddies Peter, Quagmire, and Joe at the Drunken Clam.
Doc Savage is offline  
Old Jun 17, 2014 | 5:13 am
  #3  
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,120
There are a lot of potential routes. I think F9 will consider CLE-DFW and CLE-IAH. These are longer than ORD, IAD and LGA and require more fleet usage but I think it will happen. I also agree about CLE-MKE as a good route, and more MKE routes like MKE-PIT and MKE-RDU. There is also STL and MCI that have mentioned.

I also agree about CLE to palm tree destinations: So Cal and UST, including SNA and any CLE to existing F9 city out there like SFO or OAK but on a likely more limited basis (like less than 4x weekly). Isn't there already CLE-TPA?

I also think there will be some CLE to BOS area flight. I'm guessing F9 opens in PVD however over BOS. With PVD, it can offer more unique value service with maybe potential for DFW, IAH, RDU etc. (markets PVD lacks nonstop service to currently).

I'm not sure about CLE-ILG. I thought it would have been added with IAD, LGA and ORD as there is CLE-ILG possibility already for September-December but F9 hasn't added it. ILG might just be Allegiant like station and designed only for ILG point of sale.

Daily flights out of CLE to every city I'm not sure. It's likely dependent on season, more likely 4-7x weekly but addition of new city pairings.

I doubt connecting banks in CLE. I think the new F9 wants to avoid connections. There is still TTN-MDW-DEN that lingers around as a one-stop (but no other flight has been designed like that where DEN isn't the connecting city right?), and the DEN hub but these seem like pre-Indigo moves.

Last edited by rtalk25; Jun 17, 2014 at 5:43 am
rtalk25 is offline  
Old Jun 17, 2014 | 9:00 am
  #4  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Programs: Delta Skymiles, Rapid Rewards, Hilton Honors
Posts: 14
I'm glad you share my optimism. Clearly frontier sees opportunity. The airport has already said that it's frontier and others will be adding this summer, and Let's see.
Frontier currently serves or will:
ATL
ORD
DFW
DEN
FLL
RSW
LAS
LGA
MCO
PHX
RDU
TPA
TTN
IAD
SEA
APPLE VACA (CUN, punta Cana)

Aright so now we see what could be added, in the same league as some of the above cities, we have
STL
MCI
OKC
OMA
BOS
JAX
LAX
SFO
SAN
SAT
IAH
CHS
PDX
MSP

all big markets. I can't think of what else might be added next.
15bachman is offline  
Old Jun 17, 2014 | 11:31 am
  #5  
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
10 Countries Visited
Conversation Starter
All eyes on you!
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Programs: American Airlines, Delta Air Lines, Rapids Reward
Posts: 40,145
Originally Posted by 15bachman
I'm glad you share my optimism. Clearly frontier sees opportunity. The airport has already said that it's frontier and others will be adding this summer, and Let's see.
Frontier currently serves or will:
ATL
ORD
DFW
DEN
FLL
RSW
LAS
LGA
MCO
PHX
RDU
TPA
TTN
IAD
SEA
APPLE VACA (CUN, punta Cana)

Aright so now we see what could be added, in the same league as some of the above cities, we have
STL
MCI
OKC
OMA
BOS
JAX
LAX
SFO
SAN
SAT
IAH
CHS
PDX
MSP

all big markets. I can't think of what else might be added next.
I think you mention UST (St. Augustine), but not JAX. I think F9 may adds CLE-UST.
N830MH is offline  
Old Jun 17, 2014 | 12:45 pm
  #6  
10 Countries Visited20 Countries Visited30 Countries Visited20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: CLE,OH
Programs: UA 1K 3MM, AA Plat, F9 Elite, the later two thanks to Jeff $, HHdia, Mgold, WynDia, Choicepl, IHGDia
Posts: 1,405
AUS
MYR(Seasonal)
MSY
MHT
coplatua1k is offline  
Old Jun 17, 2014 | 2:28 pm
  #7  
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,120
The only thing that I wonder is suppose Southwest decides to consolidate it's CAK operation to CLE. Would Frontier still like CLE so much at that point? CLE is still no DEN for F9.
rtalk25 is offline  
Old Jun 17, 2014 | 3:14 pm
  #8  
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: new zealand
Posts: 530
Originally Posted by rtalk25
The only thing that I wonder is suppose Southwest decides to consolidate it's CAK operation to CLE. Would Frontier still like CLE so much at that point? CLE is still no DEN for F9.
I think it is extremely unlikely, but if it did happen Frontier could always shift back to CAK.

It's because of Southwest jumping on DEN-CAK that Frontier is at CLE, but, as usual, Southwest didn't do its homework about Frontier.

:-)
davywavy is offline  
Old Jun 17, 2014 | 3:29 pm
  #9  
10 Countries Visited
All eyes on you!
15 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: FUK/Fukuoka
Programs: AS, HA, JL, UA
Posts: 753
Surprised PDX-CLE hasn't been announced yet. The route was very popular when UA operated it.
Tanaka07 is offline  
Old Jun 17, 2014 | 11:41 pm
  #10  
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
10 Countries Visited
Conversation Starter
All eyes on you!
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Programs: American Airlines, Delta Air Lines, Rapids Reward
Posts: 40,145
Originally Posted by coplatua1k
AUS
MYR(Seasonal)
MSY
MHT
SLC, RNO, EUG, FAT, ABQ, SCK, ELP, PNS, TLH, ECP, VPS, SAV, MOB, BHM, HSV, PWM, BGR, BTV, CAE, CHS, CHA, TRI and other specific routes, as well.
N830MH is offline  
Old Jun 18, 2014 | 8:51 am
  #11  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Programs: Delta Skymiles, Rapid Rewards, Hilton Honors
Posts: 14
Originally Posted by davywavy
I think it is extremely unlikely, but if it did happen Frontier could always shift back to CAK.

It's because of Southwest jumping on DEN-CAK that Frontier is at CLE, but, as usual, Southwest didn't do its homework about Frontier.

:-)
Wouldn't happen. Southwest is one of the big boys now. Unless a new 9/11 type downturn occurs in the industry, they are still making money at both airports. Akron canton is mostly point to point traffic that their servicing, as is cle. Money at both. They both retain service and southwest will likely grow at Cleveland as well.
15bachman is offline  
Old Jun 18, 2014 | 9:49 am
  #12  
All eyes on you!
15 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: CLE
Programs: UA,WN,AA,DL, B6
Posts: 4,366
Where is Frontier getting all these airplanes from to add this service. I thought Frontier had a DEN hub. Similar to CO closed the DEN hub to add CLE service expansion.
buckeyefanflyer is offline  
Old Jun 18, 2014 | 8:07 pm
  #13  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Programs: Delta Skymiles, Rapid Rewards, Hilton Honors
Posts: 14
Originally Posted by buckeyefanflyer
Where is Frontier getting all these airplanes from to add this service. I thought Frontier had a DEN hub. Similar to CO closed the DEN hub to add CLE service expansion.
No hub closure, they're just expanding! Focus cities of frontiers operate on low frequency, meaning some aircraft could fly more than one route in the same day. Den is most frequent, followed by lga. I believe when the planes are available, they will increase service. They have plenty of aircraft however. Look at their growth. Building up Cleveland to be their largest focus city, and IAD close behind!
15bachman is offline  
Old Jun 19, 2014 | 9:45 am
  #14  
10 Countries Visited
All eyes on you!
15 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Denver, Colorado
Programs: Marriott Platium. Hyatt Globlist. United Member. WN A-list w/CP. Frontier Elite 100K.
Posts: 407
Denver Frontier traffic is up 5% for April 2014 compared to April 2013 (latest month available)

Denver International Airport set a record high for April passenger traffic with a total of 4,161,815 passengers — 130,275 more than the year-ago month.

International travel increased 24 percent in April 2014, with 192,870, compared with 155,510 travelers last April.

Southwest Airlines logged the largest gains among the major carriers in April, up 7.3 percent. Frontier was up 5 percent, American up 4.1 percent and Delta up 7.7 percent.

United's total dropped 1,352 passengers, or 0.1 percent, to 1,667,070 passengers, compared with a year ago.


http://www.denverpost.com/business/c...senger-traffic
MileHighColorado is online now  
Old Jun 19, 2014 | 5:20 pm
  #15  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Programs: Delta Skymiles, Rapid Rewards, Hilton Honors
Posts: 14
I forgot to add Memphis I think... maybe I did. I was looking at MEM today and there is some healthy numbers.
15bachman is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.