New Route Cuts Including Newark
Feb 9, 2012, 11:47 pm
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I agree that it's is unlikely that MKE will be restored in the foreseeable future. It is too bad. I wonder if they had had more E90s (like was planned) they would have kept more in MKE or if the losses were still that bad where it made sense to move them.
Feb 10, 2012, 1:50 am
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I'm told that MKE-LGA and MKE-DCA are only "safe" through the summer schedule.
Frontier has really struggled on the core legacy Midwest routes. From MKE, LGA, DCA, DFW, and BOS tended to be the true bread & butter routes for Midwest. While the hyper-competitive fare environment is definately a factor, I have to point the finger at Republic for really screwing-up the MKE operations. Looking back, Bedford said time and time again that they did not have the right assets in MKE to compete effectively (namely the smaller and less economical E170s and of course the small regional jets). Yet, there never seemed to be a priority to bring most of the E190s to MKE where they could have been used effectively early on to keep AirTran in check. Then they had the real blunder last winter by upgauging BOS/LGA/DCA to Airbus jets when traffic weakens significantly. The resulting huge losses shouldn't have been a surprise.
I think it's quite likely that by fall Frontier may only be operating MKE-DEN.
Frontier has really struggled on the core legacy Midwest routes. From MKE, LGA, DCA, DFW, and BOS tended to be the true bread & butter routes for Midwest. While the hyper-competitive fare environment is definately a factor, I have to point the finger at Republic for really screwing-up the MKE operations. Looking back, Bedford said time and time again that they did not have the right assets in MKE to compete effectively (namely the smaller and less economical E170s and of course the small regional jets). Yet, there never seemed to be a priority to bring most of the E190s to MKE where they could have been used effectively early on to keep AirTran in check. Then they had the real blunder last winter by upgauging BOS/LGA/DCA to Airbus jets when traffic weakens significantly. The resulting huge losses shouldn't have been a surprise.
I think it's quite likely that by fall Frontier may only be operating MKE-DEN.
Feb 10, 2012, 6:06 am
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How much has changed in a ten-month span!
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It won't be long before the current Frontier schedule will look like Frontier's pre-YX schedule at MKE. What original YX routes will be left, systemwide, after the Frontier service slashing?
Apr 14, 2011
MILWAUKEE (April 14, 2011) – Frontier Airlines, a wholly owned subsidiary of Republic Airways Holdings, Inc. (NASDAQ: RJET), expands its Wisconsin service on April 18, 2011, with the addition of its fifth destination in the Badger state – Rhinelander Oneida County Airport (RHI).
Frontier will launch daily nonstop service between its hub at Milwaukee’s General Mitchell International Airport (MKE) and Rhinelander. The service in both directions will include continuing service to Ironwood Gogebic-Iron County Airport (IWD) in Michigan’s Upper Peninsula. The route will be operated on Frontier’s 37-seat Embraer 135 jet aircraft.
“Our new service reflects Frontier’s ongoing commitment to providing the people of Wisconsin with convenient and affordable air travel,” said Daniel Shurz, Vice President of Strategy and Planning. “Travelers from throughout the state can now enjoy our reliable service to Milwaukee and connections to more than 70 destinations across the United States, Mexico and Costa Rica.”
Also on April 18, the carrier will begin nonstop service between Milwaukee and Manistee County Blacker Airport (MBL) in Michigan.
In addition to the new Wisconsin and Michigan service, Frontier is enhancing and expanding its service from Milwaukee to destinations outside the Midwest. On April 4, the airline added a fourth frequency to New York-La Guardia International Airport (LGA) and on May 13 will add a fourth frequency to Boston Logan International Airport (BOS). It will also add nonstop service between Milwaukee and San Francisco International Airport (SFO) and Seattle-Tacoma International Airport (SEA) beginning May 13, and between Milwaukee and San Diego International Airport (SAN) starting May 14. Additionally, Frontier has extended its seasonal service between Milwaukee and Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport (FLL) until May 12; that service was originally scheduled to end April 17.
“These routes are popular with both business and leisure travelers. The increased frequencies and new nonstop service will make it easier than ever for our guests to find a schedule that meets their needs,” Shurz pointed out.
MILWAUKEE (April 14, 2011) – Frontier Airlines, a wholly owned subsidiary of Republic Airways Holdings, Inc. (NASDAQ: RJET), expands its Wisconsin service on April 18, 2011, with the addition of its fifth destination in the Badger state – Rhinelander Oneida County Airport (RHI).
Frontier will launch daily nonstop service between its hub at Milwaukee’s General Mitchell International Airport (MKE) and Rhinelander. The service in both directions will include continuing service to Ironwood Gogebic-Iron County Airport (IWD) in Michigan’s Upper Peninsula. The route will be operated on Frontier’s 37-seat Embraer 135 jet aircraft.
“Our new service reflects Frontier’s ongoing commitment to providing the people of Wisconsin with convenient and affordable air travel,” said Daniel Shurz, Vice President of Strategy and Planning. “Travelers from throughout the state can now enjoy our reliable service to Milwaukee and connections to more than 70 destinations across the United States, Mexico and Costa Rica.”
Also on April 18, the carrier will begin nonstop service between Milwaukee and Manistee County Blacker Airport (MBL) in Michigan.
In addition to the new Wisconsin and Michigan service, Frontier is enhancing and expanding its service from Milwaukee to destinations outside the Midwest. On April 4, the airline added a fourth frequency to New York-La Guardia International Airport (LGA) and on May 13 will add a fourth frequency to Boston Logan International Airport (BOS). It will also add nonstop service between Milwaukee and San Francisco International Airport (SFO) and Seattle-Tacoma International Airport (SEA) beginning May 13, and between Milwaukee and San Diego International Airport (SAN) starting May 14. Additionally, Frontier has extended its seasonal service between Milwaukee and Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport (FLL) until May 12; that service was originally scheduled to end April 17.
“These routes are popular with both business and leisure travelers. The increased frequencies and new nonstop service will make it easier than ever for our guests to find a schedule that meets their needs,” Shurz pointed out.
It won't be long before the current Frontier schedule will look like Frontier's pre-YX schedule at MKE. What original YX routes will be left, systemwide, after the Frontier service slashing?
Feb 10, 2012, 7:15 am
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Feb 10, 2012, 8:27 am
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Story from the Business Journal regarding jobs at MKE, related to service cutbacks:
http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee...-jobs-out.html
http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee...-jobs-out.html
Feb 10, 2012, 9:29 am
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Feb 10, 2012, 10:19 am
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MKE has invested heavily in food & beverage concession upgrades on D; not the case on E. DL could easily move over to D and move the Sky Club to the old Best Care Club space. I don't know how or whether the DL lease agreements would permit such a move, but I bet they could make it work.
If any concourse is going to be mothballed, it should be E.
If any concourse is going to be mothballed, it should be E.
Feb 10, 2012, 10:34 am
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Probably not. E goes back to the NorthCentral days. It was built specifically for NC and inherited by NW and now DL. I understand Delta is happy there. They are not going to move just to play musical gates.
Feb 10, 2012, 10:59 am
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Feb 10, 2012, 12:00 pm
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Feb 10, 2012, 12:19 pm
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Feb 10, 2012, 1:25 pm
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MKE has invested heavily in food & beverage concession upgrades on D; not the case on E. DL could easily move over to D and move the Sky Club to the old Best Care Club space. I don't know how or whether the DL lease agreements would permit such a move, but I bet they could make it work.
If any concourse is going to be mothballed, it should be E.
If any concourse is going to be mothballed, it should be E.
Losing the BCC is a major loss for MKE, and also decreases the value of Classic Plus.
The decision makers at DL should at least consider moving to Concourse D. Taking over the BCC would give them a much better SkyClub, perhaps at a lower cost than renovating the existing Club on E (don't know whether they had any plans to remodel that one, or were planning to keep as is). This is all pure speculation.
Will the F9 call center still remain at the maintenance facility?
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Feb 10, 2012, 1:54 pm
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If I'm not mistaken, I believe that the call center moved into remodeled facilities at the former YX hangar about 1-1/2 years ago.