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sakari1707 Nov 21, 2014 4:14 am

CX just yesterday cancelled my codeshare connection HELCDG just before Christmas... from where I had a flight to HKG and on to HND.
They will not get me to CDG and say the new booking has to be in original I-booking class, which is of course very difficult due to Christmas traffic.
I had made booking 6 months ago thru amex online, they are trying to sort things out. So much for OW co-op.
Any suggestions?

WilcoRoger Nov 21, 2014 4:28 am


Originally Posted by sakari1707 (Post 23875674)
I had made booking 6 months ago thru amex online, they are trying to sort things out. So much for OW co-op.
Any suggestions?

I'd say let AX travel service sort it out for you

remymartin Nov 21, 2014 5:27 am


Originally Posted by WilcoRoger (Post 23875305)
Right there with you. In my case JL/BA/IB codeshares on AY metal make much more sense - I get 200% Avios in discount Y vs 25% if AY coded (250% vs 125% in C) - if I could only get them posted...

JL? I think not :)
https://www.britishairways.com/en-fi...ing-avios.html

WilcoRoger Nov 21, 2014 11:16 am


Originally Posted by remymartin (Post 23875838)

You're quite right, I didn't look up the numbers - but the basic premise still holds

discounted Y 60-140% avios on JL code (2x30-70% from silver) vs 25% on AY code

in C the respective figures are 225% vs 125%

LoungeEnthusiast Nov 21, 2014 5:26 pm


Originally Posted by FFlash (Post 23875038)
But then I guess I will not be able to upgrade Y->J with AY voucher/points if ticket is US even though carrier AY AFAIK.

Yes, that's correct, unfortunately.

ffay005 Feb 2, 2015 6:57 am

So, one new disadvantage seems to be that AY only sends those longhaul paid upgrade offers to people with an AY booking code.


Originally Posted by Courmisch (Post 24228887)
Same AY82 the previous day and got no offer with AY PLT / OWE. This might have something to do with the QF marketing code :-(


Courmisch Feb 2, 2015 9:59 am


Originally Posted by ffay005 (Post 24276925)
So, one new disadvantage seems to be that AY only sends those longhaul paid upgrade offers to people with an AY booking code.

Given that upgrades are not possible with AY+ points or AY+ elite vouchers on non-AY-marketed AY-operated segments, it seems likely. Then again, it could just be that the business class was already full. It could also be that it became full after they prioritized AY customers over me-QF customer.

There is however one advantage of the QF code on the Singapore flights. The distance-based point QF earnings are higher than the flat rate AY earnings for non-elites in semiflex: 9276 km versus 8500 points, and half that in inflex.

ffay005 Feb 4, 2015 3:25 pm

I'm experimenting :) I just booked HEL-MIA-HEL flights in J on the direct AY service. I chose AA flight numbers because that saved me €5. :)

Nah, I chose AA flight numbers to make sure I get the required four segments to requalify for status, since they're enforcing the rule nowadays. And I'm going to let you know how smoothly everything goes with this codeshare flight of mine.

So, the first step and problem: seats. Booking process at the AA site was easy, but it was not possible to pick a seat or to see which seats were available. I instantly got a confirmation email stating my record locator. With that, I found the booking on AA.com but was not able to select seats. The AY site did not recognize the record locator (neither did QR). The AY web help desk is closed at this hour. But, lo and behold, in just a few minutes, I received my e-ticket to my email, and in my e-ticket, they have hidden the AY/Amadeus booking reference. I wonder how many passengers actually notice this. So with the Amadeus booking reference, I was able to assign myself seats on the AY site (and was surprised to see that the A340-300 has the new 5/6-abreast seats). So first problem easily solved.

Second problem: meal selection. The link for meal selection on the AY site told me "Istunnon tila on virheellinen, pyyntöä ei valitettavasti voi suorittaa. (52002)" and gave me no options. So I will have to give AY a call tomorrow anyway.

Keep watching ;)

ffay005 Feb 5, 2015 3:45 am

So, back to problem #2, the meal. Called AY e-helpdesk. Very short wait. A man, presumably in Kajaani, answered. He looked up my booking and said I should contact AA about the meal since AA sold the ticket. :D I didn't budge, so he talked to a supervisor for some 5 min, came back and said he would be able to add the meal request to the reservation. I hope it works – at least right now, the meal cannot be seen at MMB. Will call back tomorrow if it's not there then.

If this works, then the next problem might be check-in.

remymartin Feb 5, 2015 7:21 am

You need to call AA to get the Finnair PNR. Then all your base will belong to us!

ffay005 Feb 5, 2015 9:00 am


Originally Posted by remymartin (Post 24295868)
You need to call AA to get the Finnair PNR. Then all your base will belong to us!

Like I said above, the AY PNR is actually printed on the AA-issued ticket, so no need to call.

My choice of meal now also appears at MMB on the AY website. So far, so good.

I won't be able to enter TSA data through the AY website, though. I'll do that at AA.com but I predict AY won't be able to see that and will not let me OLCI. I'll report on that later... The outbound is on 14th Feb.

GeeTee77 Feb 5, 2015 9:22 am


Originally Posted by ffay005 (Post 24292389)

So, the first step and problem: seats. Booking process at the AA site was easy, but it was not possible to pick a seat or to see which seats were available. I instantly got a confirmation email stating my record locator. With that, I found the booking on AA.com but was not able to select seats. The AY site did not recognize the record locator (neither did QR). The AY web help desk is closed at this hour. But, lo and behold, in just a few minutes, I received my e-ticket to my email, and in my e-ticket, they have hidden the AY/Amadeus booking reference. I wonder how many passengers actually notice this. So with the Amadeus booking reference, I was able to assign myself seats on the AY site (and was surprised to see that the A340-300 has the new 5/6-abreast seats). So first problem easily solved.

Where in the e-ticket mail did you find the AY booking reference? Have flights coming up (where AA did preselect seats, but would like to change).. Didin't find in my mail, must be blind:)

Courmisch Feb 5, 2015 10:54 am

Did something change recently? I have had no problems with Finnair OLCI using AA/Sabre booking codes in the past, including passport data. Of course that only works once OLCI opens: 24 hours ahead (not 36!) for AY5.

(Ditto for AF/Amadeus codes albeit with the normal 36 hours.)

ffay005 Feb 5, 2015 11:24 am


Originally Posted by GeeTee77 (Post 24296517)
Where in the e-ticket mail did you find the AY booking reference? Have flights coming up (where AA did preselect seats, but would like to change).. Didin't find in my mail, must be blind:)

I booked at AA.com and got the e-ticket from AA by email. Below the AA flight numbrt, there's a line saying "Operated by Finnair /AY0007I/XXXXXX. I don't know what the I stands for (booking code?) but the XXXXXX is the AY booking reference.

ffay005 Feb 5, 2015 11:27 am


Originally Posted by Courmisch (Post 24296998)
Did something change recently? I have had no problems with Finnair OLCI using AA/Sabre booking codes in the past, including passport data. Of course that only works once OLCI opens: 24 hours ahead (not 36!) for AY5.

(Ditto for AF/Amadeus codes albeit with the normal 36 hours.)

I've always filled in the TSA info beforehand at MMB but if it's possible at OLCI, then this shouldn't be a problem. If I remember, I will try to OLCI using the AA record locator as my first choice and, if it doesn't work, only then use the AY booking reference. I'll keep you posted!


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