New AY co-branded Diners Club card
#1
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New AY co-branded Diners Club card
On the Finnair website
Seems to be the best CC deal available in FI
50€/year, first year 25€ (free for Gold and Plat)
2 AY+ points/€ (2,5 points for Gold, 3 points for Plat)
3000 points with first use
Now if only the application would mention where one is supposed to send it...
Behold!
http://www.finnair.fi/finnaircom/wps...ds_160x300.jpg
Seems to be the best CC deal available in FI
50€/year, first year 25€ (free for Gold and Plat)
2 AY+ points/€ (2,5 points for Gold, 3 points for Plat)
3000 points with first use
Now if only the application would mention where one is supposed to send it...
Behold!
http://www.finnair.fi/finnaircom/wps...ds_160x300.jpg
#2
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 173
Good spot, finally a decent CC it seems.
Personally I've moved over to BA, since I find their program better for me and tend to fly a fair amount on BA metal these days, but this card just might tilt the scales enough back toward AY to make me at least interested in them again.
I hope it's not too much OT to ask if anyone knows any other good cards for Finland-based flyers? So far I was thinking of getting the plain non-branded AmEx which gives 0.8 miles/€ through their rewards program, which can be credited to BA, EuroBonus, or a few other airlines. But besides AmEx and this new Finnair Plus Diners there's not much else worth considering it seems.
Now if Finnair would just introduce a way to keep their points from expiring (except by reaching Platinum), I might start using their program again. Even with this card, you could put several tens of thousands of points to your account just to find them expire if you didn't find award availability when you had time to fly, it's still a no-go for me I'm afraid.
Curious that they wouldn't clearly mark an address where to send the application. I guess there might be an envelope included if you find the form on a plane or in the next membership mailing, but other than that I'd venture to guess that you could send it either to the address listed in small print in creditor's details above the signature, or probably also to Finnair since the same form can be used to apply for Finnair Plus membership without credit.
Personally I've moved over to BA, since I find their program better for me and tend to fly a fair amount on BA metal these days, but this card just might tilt the scales enough back toward AY to make me at least interested in them again.
I hope it's not too much OT to ask if anyone knows any other good cards for Finland-based flyers? So far I was thinking of getting the plain non-branded AmEx which gives 0.8 miles/€ through their rewards program, which can be credited to BA, EuroBonus, or a few other airlines. But besides AmEx and this new Finnair Plus Diners there's not much else worth considering it seems.
Now if Finnair would just introduce a way to keep their points from expiring (except by reaching Platinum), I might start using their program again. Even with this card, you could put several tens of thousands of points to your account just to find them expire if you didn't find award availability when you had time to fly, it's still a no-go for me I'm afraid.
Curious that they wouldn't clearly mark an address where to send the application. I guess there might be an envelope included if you find the form on a plane or in the next membership mailing, but other than that I'd venture to guess that you could send it either to the address listed in small print in creditor's details above the signature, or probably also to Finnair since the same form can be used to apply for Finnair Plus membership without credit.
#3
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 14
Hi all,
Please send all the applications to this address:
Finnair Plus/Diners Club
Business reply mail
PLUS1 5000352
FI-00003 HELSINKI
This information will be updated to our website shortly.
Best Regards,
Finnair Plus Rep
Please send all the applications to this address:
Finnair Plus/Diners Club
Business reply mail
PLUS1 5000352
FI-00003 HELSINKI
This information will be updated to our website shortly.
Best Regards,
Finnair Plus Rep
#5
Join Date: Apr 2009
Programs: SK Eurobonus Silver, DL, AA, AY, US
Posts: 600
Maybe not as widely as Visa/MC but still practically all the bigger stores accept it.
Plus of course there still is Finnair Visa/MC for those who want that.
I wonder if the 3000 points and discounted first year is available for people who already are DC members? At least some of the SK DC promos were limited to people who did not have DC at all.
Plus of course there still is Finnair Visa/MC for those who want that.
I wonder if the 3000 points and discounted first year is available for people who already are DC members? At least some of the SK DC promos were limited to people who did not have DC at all.
#6
Join Date: May 2001
Location: FINLAND
Posts: 104
Maybe inside ring 1...
but the Finnair Nordea card has the benefit (sic) of nordea customer service and is restricted if you are not a Nordea customer (they don't want to give solo codes out without charging for them separately, and you need them for the Mastercard Securicode thing). Customer services claim they are free from the bank, the bank laughs and says free? Noooo.... even ignoring a letter claiming same. And customer services at Nordea just say "got to see bank, we cannot help".
Poor redemption value and low limit also.
Maybe I got spoiled when living in the UK with their credit card "competition" and lack of fees/better customer service.
but the Finnair Nordea card has the benefit (sic) of nordea customer service and is restricted if you are not a Nordea customer (they don't want to give solo codes out without charging for them separately, and you need them for the Mastercard Securicode thing). Customer services claim they are free from the bank, the bank laughs and says free? Noooo.... even ignoring a letter claiming same. And customer services at Nordea just say "got to see bank, we cannot help".
Poor redemption value and low limit also.
Maybe I got spoiled when living in the UK with their credit card "competition" and lack of fees/better customer service.
#7
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: KUO
Programs: HH Diam, AY/AX/KQ/IHG/VISA Plat, SK/Bonvoy/Melia/Strawberry Gold, Radisson Prem, PP Prest
Posts: 2,266
DC works just fine in Finland. There are very few places which would not accept it. And there is a co-branded MC GlobeCard for DC cardholders to be used when DC is not accepted.
Last edited by TTL; Jan 11, 2011 at 12:38 am
#9
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#11
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Afaik in Finland we have the following options
AY
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Diners 2-3 point/€
MC/Visa (via Nordea and Sampo) 1point/€
SK
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Amex 5 MR points for 4 EB points
DC (I'm not quite sure, it used to be via their rewards program)
MC (via SEB) 1 point/€
The DC/MC/Visa all have some startup or yearly bonuses.
For Gold and above DC is free for both. With Amex you can negotiate - they are ready to waive the yearly fee, if you spend enough and call them for a fee waiver.
AY
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Diners 2-3 point/€
MC/Visa (via Nordea and Sampo) 1point/€
SK
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Amex 5 MR points for 4 EB points
DC (I'm not quite sure, it used to be via their rewards program)
MC (via SEB) 1 point/€
The DC/MC/Visa all have some startup or yearly bonuses.
For Gold and above DC is free for both. With Amex you can negotiate - they are ready to waive the yearly fee, if you spend enough and call them for a fee waiver.
#12
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Location: HEL
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Just from pure financial value, to me 1 Club Reward point is far more valuable than 1 AY Point so the earnings seem to be somewhat aligned here with AY DCs earning 2-3 points per € spent.
#13
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 43
If you really plan to use these cards, please compare the terms regarding the exchange rates. DC for example uses the exchange rate of "Nordea Cash exchange rate", which has worse rate than Visa International or MasterCard international exchange rate added with bank fee.
These are hidden in the terms, so read carefully. @:-)
Just to note that EB MasterCard use the same "Nordea cash exchange rate" and another small con is that they charge 2eur monthly invoicing fee above annual fee, which is unheard of in credit cards issued by banks.
These are hidden in the terms, so read carefully. @:-)
Just to note that EB MasterCard use the same "Nordea cash exchange rate" and another small con is that they charge 2eur monthly invoicing fee above annual fee, which is unheard of in credit cards issued by banks.
#14
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If you really plan to use these cards, please compare the terms regarding the exchange rates. DC for example uses the exchange rate of "Nordea Cash exchange rate", which has worse rate than Visa International or MasterCard international exchange rate added with bank fee.
These are hidden in the terms, so read carefully. @:-)
Just to note that EB MasterCard use the same "Nordea cash exchange rate" and another small con is that they charge 2eur monthly invoicing fee above annual fee, which is unheard of in credit cards issued by banks.
These are hidden in the terms, so read carefully. @:-)
Just to note that EB MasterCard use the same "Nordea cash exchange rate" and another small con is that they charge 2eur monthly invoicing fee above annual fee, which is unheard of in credit cards issued by banks.
Amex also used to use a sucker forex rate converting to EUR via USD, now it seems to be "normal". Of course being in the € zone we can rather widely use our cards without any forex headaches (as opposed to the good ol' times with the markka)
The EB MC monthly invoicing fee is a scandal (and the issuer IS a bank - SEB)
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