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Old Jan 28, 2015 | 4:50 pm
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Originally Posted by RTW1
They don't rip of peoples images to use them for free... that's the discussion here. Not who else does the same.
I created a picture this summer making fun of United's MileagePlus changes which I posted on Facebook. It was taken and reposted without my permission or attribution by two bloggers including Gary Leff.
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Old Jan 28, 2015 | 4:58 pm
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Originally Posted by sbm12
There is, at least to my understanding of the law, no requirement to credit a photo taken from a media kit. I can think of plenty of reasons it is a good idea and when I bother to remember I do so, but that's usually low on my list of things I'm worried about when producing content.

ETA: I also could not care less if someone chooses to rename the file or not. The only impact that has is on SEO and even there it is minimal.
Putting aside a situation where a media kit is provided I have seen travel bloggers use "borrowed" images and/or screen shots on a daily basis.

I believe there was a publicized case of a popular media/entertainment blogger who would use images without permission. The blogger's defense was that since they had scribbled "funny" images on the photos they satire and covered under fair use.
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Old Jan 28, 2015 | 7:41 pm
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Originally Posted by CMK10
I created a picture this summer making fun of United's MileagePlus changes which I posted on Facebook. It was taken and reposted without my permission or attribution by two bloggers including Gary Leff.
What did they say when you caught them doing this.
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Old Jan 28, 2015 | 9:33 pm
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Originally Posted by cruisr
What did they say when you caught them doing this.
Various excuses. It was especially disappointing as Lucky had personally messaged me and asked if he could use the picture and if yes, how I wanted to be cited. The other two were either lazy or deliberate thieves.
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Old Jan 28, 2015 | 9:52 pm
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Originally Posted by CMK10
I created a picture this summer making fun of United's MileagePlus changes which I posted on Facebook. It was taken and reposted without my permission or attribution by two bloggers including Gary Leff.
Not saying one way or the other, but did you create the page that you used to re-do? Or was that a screen shot from Delta.com. #JustSayin
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Old Jan 28, 2015 | 9:59 pm
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Originally Posted by Delta Points
Not saying one way or the other, but did you create the page that you used to re-do? Or was that a screen shot from Delta.com. #JustSayin
What does that matter? I took a screen shot of the Delta page which clearly indicates where it's from and then created from there. Hell, I even left the copyright on the bottom of the page which gave Delta their citation. Stealing someone's original content for your blog without attribution is quite different.
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Old Jan 28, 2015 | 11:11 pm
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Originally Posted by CMK10
What does that matter? I took a screen shot of the Delta page which clearly indicates where it's from and then created from there. Hell, I even left the copyright on the bottom of the page which gave Delta their citation. Stealing someone's original content for your blog without attribution is quite different.
Sir (or Madam). Unlike your person attack, I did NOT steal your original content on my blog or publish it. Nor did I take sides in this as clearly posted. All I pointed out was that your efforts to claim ownership of a work from Delta.com is lost in your argument.

I will accept an apology if offered. ^

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Old Jan 29, 2015 | 5:41 am
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Originally Posted by Delta Points
Sir (or Madam). Unlike your person attack, I did NOT steal your original content on my blog or publish it. Nor did I take sides in this as clearly posted. All I pointed out was that your efforts to claim ownership of a work from Delta.com is lost in your argument.

I will accept an apology if offered. ^
huh??? what "personal attack" did CMK give? you probably should re-read what he said before going off on him

He will accept an apology if offered. ^
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Old Jan 29, 2015 | 6:12 am
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Originally Posted by Delta Points
Not saying one way or the other, but did you create the page that you used to re-do? Or was that a screen shot from Delta.com. #JustSayin
you should look up "fair use" and "parody"... i'll let those with a more legal background explain it, but yes he CAN claim ownership of his work, even when the original image was created by delta. so your point is pretty off base
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Old Jan 29, 2015 | 9:36 am
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Originally Posted by Delta Points
Sir (or Madam). Unlike your person attack, I did NOT steal your original content on my blog or publish it. Nor did I take sides in this as clearly posted. All I pointed out was that your efforts to claim ownership of a work from Delta.com is lost in your argument.

I will accept an apology if offered. ^
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Old Jan 29, 2015 | 10:28 am
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Originally Posted by freeloader
you should look up "fair use" and "parody"... i'll let those with a more legal background explain it, but yes he CAN claim ownership of his work, even when the original image was created by delta. so your point is pretty off base
Other fair use issues aside, the parody issue is complicated by the fact that CMK10 used the copyrighted material of one party (Delta) to mock another party (United).

The US Supreme Court has held that "the heart of any parodist's claim to quote from existing material, is the use of some elements of a prior author's composition to create a new one that, at least in part, comments on that author's works." Perhaps some intrepid law student can discuss further
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Old Jan 29, 2015 | 11:45 am
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Originally Posted by Delta Points
I will accept an apology if offered. ^
Did you have to offer an apology to Delta?
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Old Jan 29, 2015 | 11:50 am
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Originally Posted by Bulldog83
Other fair use issues aside, the parody issue is complicated by the fact that CMK10 used the copyrighted material of one party (Delta) to mock another party (United).

The US Supreme Court has held that "the heart of any parodist's claim to quote from existing material, is the use of some elements of a prior author's composition to create a new one that, at least in part, comments on that author's works." Perhaps some intrepid law student can discuss further
If I recall correctly, CMK10 is qualified in that area.
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Old Jan 29, 2015 | 11:53 am
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Originally Posted by lwildernorva
If I recall correctly, CMK10 is qualified in that area.
You recall correctly.
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Old Jan 29, 2015 | 1:18 pm
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Originally Posted by lwildernorva
If I recall correctly, CMK10 is qualified in that area.
Originally Posted by Canarsie
You recall correctly.
I'm qualified as a law student, yes. But I have to admit I know nothing about copyright law yet. So I think I'll act unlawyerly and admit I don't know the answer.

But what I do know is that theft of something stolen is still theft. "It was already stolen" is not an affirmative defense.
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