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Gary will be one of the highest earning people in the US thanks to his credit card earnings. (Only 0.1% of US tax returns are for $1m or more and lets assume Gary is up there.)
He is a shareholder in various bits of HOM, which is a fairly serious business these days.
He gets to be the spokesman for what is now a very major industry, with the profile that brings. If we're honest, we have probably all benefitted at some time or other from Gary putting pressure on programme executives over changes, either in the media or in private.
He gets lots of adoring email from his readers thanking him for helping them arrange their dream trip (I get this, so I know Gary will too).
He is his own boss.
The real question is why he bothers with his real job!
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And it's not like altruistic pursuits are necessarily the best use of even every brilliant mind -- whether or not VFTW blogger is seen as a brilliant mind.
It's a shame that a person has interests in helping himself and others to travel more comfortably without spending as much as some others do for the same thing?
I really have to wonder what the agenda is that drives some of the criticism that gets directed at some bloggers.
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Also, if you look back to how we got to this discussion, it was NOT based on a criticism of Gary, but based on an FT commenter raising the issue of Gary's intellect.
There are wonderful people doing great things with low intellect. And there are terrible people with gigantic brains. I personally would find the life led by many major bloggers to be boring. That doesn't make what they do bad, it just isn't for me.
My criticism of bloggers tends to be about specific practices, not their mere existence. For example, today I posted in a different blog discussion about what I see as major ethical problem about a misleading post related to travel to a country with a poor LGBT human rights record. Another blogger is guilty of tax evasion, and his blog posts scream for an audit. Neither of those are things I'm "jealous" of.
Blogging is a form of media. If I were to criticize a reporter's poorly reasoned or poorly researched or regurgitated piece, would you accuse me of jealousy? Is my criticism of a blog any less valid than your criticism of my post about a blog?
Because you may have a different value system than me in how you prioritize what a certain blogger does does not justify personal attacks.
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Was talking about the general majority of blogger attacks. I think that deep down many people are angry because they feel that they could be having the same lifestyle/income as the top bloggers and put on a better blog as well.
Except it's far harder than it looks to run and maintain.
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Nobody accused you personally of anything 
Was talking about the general majority of blogger attacks. I think that deep down many people are angry because they feel that they could be having the same lifestyle/income as the top bloggers and put on a better blog as well.
Except it's far harder than it looks to run and maintain.

Was talking about the general majority of blogger attacks. I think that deep down many people are angry because they feel that they could be having the same lifestyle/income as the top bloggers and put on a better blog as well.
Except it's far harder than it looks to run and maintain.
People get upset with bloggers because they are monetizing information freely available on FT to audiences so big that they affect the programs and individual situational outcomes.
That they are taking cash for carving up the goose that lays golden eggs.
Analogy: I'm sitting on the beach in Negril, Jamaica right now. Same stretch of beach I've been visiting for decades. 30 years ago it was paradise. Today there is a Margaritaville next door and it's just a bit of a hot mess. I'm not jealous of Jimmy Buffet for his success. I'm angry at him for taking a sh!t on paradise so he can make a few more bucks.
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Disagree.
People get upset with bloggers because they are monetizing information freely available on FT to audiences so big that they affect the programs and individual situational outcomes.
That they are taking cash for carving up the goose that lays golden eggs.
Analogy: I'm sitting on the beach in Negril, Jamaica right now. Same stretch of beach I've been visiting for decades. 30 years ago it was paradise. Today there is a Margaritaville next door and it's just a bit of a hot mess. I'm not jealous of Jimmy Buffet for his success. I'm angry at him for taking a sh!t on paradise so he can make a few more bucks.
People get upset with bloggers because they are monetizing information freely available on FT to audiences so big that they affect the programs and individual situational outcomes.
That they are taking cash for carving up the goose that lays golden eggs.
Analogy: I'm sitting on the beach in Negril, Jamaica right now. Same stretch of beach I've been visiting for decades. 30 years ago it was paradise. Today there is a Margaritaville next door and it's just a bit of a hot mess. I'm not jealous of Jimmy Buffet for his success. I'm angry at him for taking a sh!t on paradise so he can make a few more bucks.
But deeper down in your psyche, I daresay you'd like to be in his shoes with his relationships with the banks that pay him $$$$$$$$ for writing about the hobby we all love to write about as FTers.
Maybe I'm wrong. But that's my take on it.
You don't think TBB himself wouldn't love to have those relationships? Do you think George wouldn't be shilling them as he shills the weak links he currently has, if he had those lucrative relationships? All while calling out the pumpers?
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Superficially I'm sure that's what you and the majority believe to be true. Hence the angries. It's fair, I get it. Especially when things are written about that really should be written about. It's happened to me with things bloggers have learned from me in confidence and it hurts.
But deeper down in your psyche, I daresay you'd like to be in his shoes with his relationships with the banks that pay him $$$$$$$$ for writing about the hobby we all love to write about as FTers.
Maybe I'm wrong. But that's my take on it.
You don't think TBB himself wouldn't love to have those relationships? Do you think George wouldn't be shilling them as he shills the weak links he currently has, if he had those lucrative relationships? All while calling out the pumpers?
But deeper down in your psyche, I daresay you'd like to be in his shoes with his relationships with the banks that pay him $$$$$$$$ for writing about the hobby we all love to write about as FTers.
Maybe I'm wrong. But that's my take on it.
You don't think TBB himself wouldn't love to have those relationships? Do you think George wouldn't be shilling them as he shills the weak links he currently has, if he had those lucrative relationships? All while calling out the pumpers?
To assert that all or most critical comments about a blogger stems from some deep-seated jealousy is rather unfounded. And it discredits the valid and constructive criticism that is levied alongside other less valid comments. Perhaps some bloggers think so highly of themselves that they assume everyone must be jealous?
Folks who criticize a restaurant, a hotel, a model of automobile, newspaper article, or movie aren't presumed to be doing so only out of secret desires to be doing such work are they?
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While I'm sure some would, I think you grossly overestimate how much the majority of people would truly enjoy the constant writing and other work that goes into it. Not everyone has an aptitude or even an interest in that kind of daily work - just as not everyone has musical, artistic, or engineering, and other interests and/or talents. And some who do enjoy talking and writing about this area for fun would not have any desire to do so for a living.
To assert that all or most critical comments about a blogger stems from some deep-seated jealousy is rather unfounded. And it discredits the valid and constructive criticism that is levied alongside other less valid comments. Perhaps some bloggers think so highly of themselves that they assume everyone must be jealous?
Folks who criticize a restaurant, a hotel, a model of automobile, newspaper article, or movie aren't presumed to be doing so only out of secret desires to be doing such work are they?
To assert that all or most critical comments about a blogger stems from some deep-seated jealousy is rather unfounded. And it discredits the valid and constructive criticism that is levied alongside other less valid comments. Perhaps some bloggers think so highly of themselves that they assume everyone must be jealous?
Folks who criticize a restaurant, a hotel, a model of automobile, newspaper article, or movie aren't presumed to be doing so only out of secret desires to be doing such work are they?
And nothing is wrong with criticism. I love criticism, get it all the time and use it to improve.
But there are a lot of bizarre/obsessive posts on this particular board that go far beyond normal criticism. If it were kept to healthy levels then more bloggers would participate and it would be a positive influence.
But it jumped the shark long ago. And that's a shame IMHO.
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While I'm sure some would, I think you grossly overestimate how much the majority of people would truly enjoy the constant writing and other work that goes into it. Not everyone has an aptitude or even an interest in that kind of daily work - just as not everyone has musical, artistic, or engineering, and other interests and/or talents. And some who do enjoy talking and writing about this area for fun would not have any desire to do so for a living.
To assert that all or most critical comments about a blogger stems from some deep-seated jealousy is rather unfounded. And it discredits the valid and constructive criticism that is levied alongside other less valid comments. Perhaps some bloggers think so highly of themselves that they assume everyone must be jealous?
Folks who criticize a restaurant, a hotel, a model of automobile, newspaper article, or movie aren't presumed to be doing so only out of secret desires to be doing such work are they?
To assert that all or most critical comments about a blogger stems from some deep-seated jealousy is rather unfounded. And it discredits the valid and constructive criticism that is levied alongside other less valid comments. Perhaps some bloggers think so highly of themselves that they assume everyone must be jealous?
Folks who criticize a restaurant, a hotel, a model of automobile, newspaper article, or movie aren't presumed to be doing so only out of secret desires to be doing such work are they?
And nothing is wrong with criticism. I love criticism, get it all the time and use it to improve.
But there are a lot of bizarre/obsessive posts on this particular board that go far beyond normal criticism. If it were kept to healthy levels then more bloggers would participate and it would be a positive influence.
But it jumped the shark long ago. And that's a shame IMHO.
Oh and another blog discussed in this forum just had a post that was clearly the result of discussion/criticism on FT. So your claim that people's criticism has led to no participation by bloggers is disproven.
Finally, this is a discussion thread, not a constructive feedback for the blogger forum. If you want to talk to Gary about an issue you have with his blog, I'm sure you can reach him.
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Nobody said all.
And nothing is wrong with criticism. I love criticism, get it all the time and use it to improve.
But there are a lot of bizarre/obsessive posts on this particular board that go far beyond normal criticism. If it were kept to healthy levels then more bloggers would participate and it would be a positive influence.
But it jumped the shark long ago. And that's a shame IMHO.
And nothing is wrong with criticism. I love criticism, get it all the time and use it to improve.
But there are a lot of bizarre/obsessive posts on this particular board that go far beyond normal criticism. If it were kept to healthy levels then more bloggers would participate and it would be a positive influence.
But it jumped the shark long ago. And that's a shame IMHO.
What sort of criteria do you apply to determine what reaches "bizarre"?
As I said above, there are comments that have little to no value along with those that do...though the same can be said throughout FlyerTalk or any internet forum for that matter. I don't think that means that, for example, the United forum has jumped the shark.
For some of the most bizarre or even vulgar comments, though, one would have to go to the comments section of some blogs themselves (those who don't censor comments). Not that it means such are helpful in either spot.
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Superficially I'm sure that's what you and the majority believe to be true. Hence the angries. It's fair, I get it. Especially when things are written about that really should be written about. It's happened to me with things bloggers have learned from me in confidence and it hurts.
But deeper down in your psyche, I daresay you'd like to be in his shoes with his relationships with the banks that pay him $$$$$$$$ for writing about the hobby we all love to write about as FTers.
Maybe I'm wrong. But that's my take on it.
You don't think TBB himself wouldn't love to have those relationships? Do you think George wouldn't be shilling them as he shills the weak links he currently has, if he had those lucrative relationships? All while calling out the pumpers?
But deeper down in your psyche, I daresay you'd like to be in his shoes with his relationships with the banks that pay him $$$$$$$$ for writing about the hobby we all love to write about as FTers.
Maybe I'm wrong. But that's my take on it.
You don't think TBB himself wouldn't love to have those relationships? Do you think George wouldn't be shilling them as he shills the weak links he currently has, if he had those lucrative relationships? All while calling out the pumpers?
That would surely ruin it for me. And I don't want to ruin something I love so well.
And I certainly don't envy being a higgler, whatever the product.
I also never want to own, operate or work at a Margaritaville.
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To get back on topic, what has TSA done to Gary? The anti TSA rants are reaching preposterous levels now, WOW!

