FlyerTalk Forums

FlyerTalk Forums (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/index.php)
-   Europe (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/europe-477/)
-   -   Connection in AMS [merged thread] (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/europe/2042176-connection-ams-merged-thread.html)

HerbTravels Jun 12, 2021 4:52 pm


Originally Posted by Sjoerd (Post 33323639)
No. Not same thing here. The Netherlands/Schengen is not the USA. If the OP is admissible to France, he can enter Schengen at AMS.

Yeah the US is a poor comparison. That would be like saying if you're admissible in Iowa, will they let you in in NY? NY and Iowa aren't allowed to have different standards of admissibility. Schengen wouldn't normally either but these are weird times.

the810 Jun 12, 2021 6:13 pm


Originally Posted by LondonElite (Post 33322933)
You’re either admissible or not. People could just stay in NL rather than move on.

There are quite a few states which allow transit pax into other Schengen states even if not admissible into the transit state itself. For example, Vienna Airport is the main airport for some location in Czechia, Slovakia and Hungary and they explicitly permit this - I know several people who were not admissible to Austria at the time of their flight but flew to Vienna and then took a bus or taxi to Bratislava without any issues as at all. All it took was for them to show the bus ticket / taxi booking at check-in and immigration. Would it be possible for them to cheat? Probably yes. But that doesn't mean the rule doesn't apply.

While I'm not aware of the situation at AMS, claim that you can't transfer via one Schengen state into another because you could cheat is false in many locations.

tudorranch Jun 12, 2021 7:32 pm

I have the same question, but for transfer through CDG rather than AMS.

My itin is ATL-CDG-SPU with only a 2 hour layover in CDG on the way and no test required in SPU (Croatia). I am fully vaccinated. Does anyone know the rules for transit through CDG? LEAVING TOMORROW!!

balthy Jun 13, 2021 7:00 am

In case anyone is interested, no one in AMS asked me for a COVID test certificate nor the health declaration.

ICN1K Jun 13, 2021 7:27 am


Originally Posted by balthy (Post 33324878)
In case anyone is interested, no one in AMS asked me for a COVID test certificate nor the health declaration.

Thank you for the data point. I’ll be flying EWR-AMS-ATH in a few days so I hope it will be the same for me.

GUWonder Jun 13, 2021 7:45 am

Admissible for transit but not admissible for most other purposes is also a situation that exists.


Originally Posted by HerbTravels (Post 33322879)
But why can't you be admissible to NL under the "transfer" exception?

A person can be. But when using separate tickets, a person may end up encountering one or more airline agents who think the transfer/transit exception isn’t applicable because the agents may want to stick to looking at only the ticket being used to fly the person to the Netherlands and be dismissive of the separately ticketed PNR for travel from the Netherlands to an “open” destination for the person.

I have come and gone via the NL using an exception as a transit passenger during this pandemic, but I’ve stuck to using single ticketed PNRs as much as possible.

Goldorak Jun 13, 2021 9:02 am


Originally Posted by tudorranch (Post 33324236)
I have the same question, but for transfer through CDG rather than AMS.

My itin is ATL-CDG-SPU with only a 2 hour layover in CDG on the way and no test required in SPU (Croatia). I am fully vaccinated. Does anyone know the rules for transit through CDG? LEAVING TOMORROW!!

no test required to transit in CDG if the destination country does not require it

tudorranch Jun 13, 2021 9:08 am

Thank you!!

HerbTravels Jun 13, 2021 8:28 pm


Originally Posted by ICN1K (Post 33324918)
Thank you for the data point. I’ll be flying EWR-AMS-ATH in a few days so I hope it will be the same for me.

Please report back after you do.

ICN1K Jun 16, 2021 10:37 am


Originally Posted by HerbTravels (Post 33326400)
Please report back after you do.

Unfortunately, nothing to report. I found an earlier connection, ORD-MUC-ATH, that got me in 3 hours earlier. MUC was easy to transit through. Just a look at the vaccination card, onward boarding pass, and a few questions.

ja70 Jun 16, 2021 10:43 am

seems like my issue won't be a problem as the netherlands is likely to be open to us travelers due to the addition to the EU safe list of countries

LFR Jun 17, 2021 8:36 am

Greetings all. This thread is extremely useful. Thanks

A) Does anyone know when AMS will start allowing vaccinated US travelers in after yesterday's announcement?
B) I plan on arriving in AMS on Friday June 25th and either flying to CDG or taking the Thalys there. I'd prefer the Thalys BUT if leaving the airport to take the train means entering a Covid-documentation nightmare then I'll fly.
C) Does anyone know what documentation I'll be asked for by AA before boarding in PHL?

Thanks!!

Yreal Jun 18, 2021 11:57 am


Originally Posted by olejnic (Post 33318021)
Thanks all. This is the response I received from KLM: "Hi! Some local authorities demand that passengers must be able to show a negative COVID-19 PCR test result. These demands are not imposed by KLM, but by the local authorities. Therefore, I strongly recommend that you always contact the local authorities."

It seems that no one actually knows. It is encouraging that ClipperDelta was ok without a test. Not sure what I will do, other than hope there is more clarity before I fly.

I even got this flying sxm to ams as a duych citizen. Seems they send it out regardless of who you are or where you fly.

terrier Jun 20, 2021 3:17 am


Originally Posted by LFR (Post 33335744)
A) Does anyone know when AMS will start allowing vaccinated US travelers in after yesterday's announcement?
B) I plan on arriving in AMS on Friday June 25th and either flying to CDG or taking the Thalys there. I'd prefer the Thalys BUT if leaving the airport to take the train means entering a Covid-documentation nightmare then I'll fly.
C) Does anyone know what documentation I'll be asked for by AA before boarding in PHL?

A) Certainly not before 1 July, and probably not for a long time after. That announcement was but a recommendation, with implementation being left to individual countries, and the Netherlands does not appear to actually need or want visitors from the US at the moment. Right now the Netherlands is pushing - as hard as I've ever seen its government push for anything - the mandatory use of a privately developed and operated app ("CoronaCheck") for proof of testing and vaccination, and in order to force people to use it, the government has set an official policy of refusing to provide or officially recognize ANY form of proof of vaccination other than the so-called "EU Digital Corona Certificate" (a QR code that in the Netherlands will be exclusively vended through this app.) And even that won't be recognized until 1 July, so for now vaccination does *not* exempt anyone in the Netherlands from entry restrictions, test requirements, or quarantine mandates. That means your US CDC card (or for that matter, WHO certificates of prophylaxis ("yellow cards/books") recognized by other countries like Germany) are, officially, meaningless to the Dutch authorities, and will likely remain so for the foreseeable future.

B) What matters is whether the border authorities (Koninklijke Marechaussee) recognizes your Thalys ticket as making you a "transit" passenger. The train itself leaves from the airport station, but that's land-side. You've got a stronger case for entry as a transit passenger if you're arriving on a ticket with a segment onward to your final destination (CDG). That doesn't mean they won't let you in if you've got a separate plane or train ticket to show, but nothing is guaranteed. Your best option is to fly directly to CDG instead of transferring in AMS, but being ticketed through to CDG and staying airside is your lowest-risk alternative if you can't. You *will* need a negative PCR test if your onward travel isn't by plane.

C) Unknowable with certainty, but possibly including proof of onward travel, a negative PCR test, and/or eligibility to enter your final destination. And there's not really anything you can do if, say, staff on the ground decline to accept your proof of onward travel if you're only ticketed to AMS on AA and you're not otherwise admissible to the Netherlands. Denied boarding is a real risk.

Grouchy Jun 20, 2021 5:42 am


Originally Posted by terrier (Post 33342200)
A) Certainly not before 1 July, and probably not for a long time after. That announcement was but a recommendation, with implementation being left to individual countries, and the Netherlands does not appear to actually need or want visitors from the US at the moment. Right now the Netherlands is pushing - as hard as I've ever seen its government push for anything - the mandatory use of a privately developed and operated app ("CoronaCheck") for proof of testing and vaccination, and in order to force people to use it, the government has set an official policy of refusing to provide or officially recognize ANY form of proof of vaccination other than the so-called "EU Digital Corona Certificate" (a QR code that in the Netherlands will be exclusively vended through this app.) And even that won't be recognized until 1 July, so for now vaccination does *not* exempt anyone in the Netherlands from entry restrictions, test requirements, or quarantine mandates. That means your US CDC card (or for that matter, WHO certificates of prophylaxis ("yellow cards/books") recognized by other countries like Germany) are, officially, meaningless to the Dutch authorities, and will likely remain so for the foreseeable future.

B) What matters is whether the border authorities (Koninklijke Marechaussee) recognizes your Thalys ticket as making you a "transit" passenger. The train itself leaves from the airport station, but that's land-side. You've got a stronger case for entry as a transit passenger if you're arriving on a ticket with a segment onward to your final destination (CDG). That doesn't mean they won't let you in if you've got a separate plane or train ticket to show, but nothing is guaranteed. Your best option is to fly directly to CDG instead of transferring in AMS, but being ticketed through to CDG and staying airside is your lowest-risk alternative if you can't. You *will* need a negative PCR test if your onward travel isn't by plane.

C) Unknowable with certainty, but possibly including proof of onward travel, a negative PCR test, and/or eligibility to enter your final destination. And there's not really anything you can do if, say, staff on the ground decline to accept your proof of onward travel if you're only ticketed to AMS on AA and you're not otherwise admissible to the Netherlands. Denied boarding is a real risk.

This is quit incorrect info. The Dutch goverment has already decided that the travel ban to the Netherlands for travelers from the United States will be lifted on June 24, 2021 (00:01 am).
The number of infections in the USA is below the threshold set by the EU. With this, the test obligations and the urgent advice to quarantine for travelers from the USA will also be cancelled.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 6:22 am.


This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.