Explosions And Gunfire at Istanbul Airport (28 June)

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Jun 28, 2016 | 4:53 pm
  #16  
Tk thread
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/turki...l#post26844444

AC waiver

I'll transfer via IST on Monday, oh boy, I see many cancelled flights already
Now I wonder if Aeroplan will let me re-route to avoid IST without $90 fee

RIP to those victims

UPDATE
on phone with Aeroplan, they read a AC waiver to change, from 6/28 to 7/5, to avoid IST airport
Date change is allowed, but other non-IST related changes aren't "free" @@ too bad I can't lump it in
http://www.aircanada.com/en/news/160628.html
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June 28, 2016
As a result of the events in Istanbul, Air Canada has implemented a policy for customers who purchased an Air Canada ticket no later than June 28, 2016 and whose itinerary includes a flight to, from or via Istanbul Airport (IST) between June 28 and July 5, 2016.

If you are scheduled to travel during the affected time period, you may contact Air Canada Reservations to change your flight, free of charge, to another date between now and September 30, 2016, subject to availability in the cabin you originally purchased. Otherwise, any fare difference will apply.
If you purchased your ticket with Aeroplan, or Air Canada Vacations, please contact them directly.

so I'm changing my PRG-IST-PEK-HKG (TK) to PRG-ZRH-HKG (LX 777!)
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Jun 28, 2016 | 5:04 pm
  #17  
The NYTimes / Associated Press is reporting up to 50 dead.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/29/wo...T.nav=top-news

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Curious where all the inbound flights are diverted to. Anyone know of a good place to visualize it?

This BA flight for example looks like it went all the way back to LHR, was denied landing clearance, and is looking for somewhere to touch down in western Europe: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW680
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Jun 28, 2016 | 5:09 pm
  #18  
Quote: The NYTimes / Associated Press is reporting up to 50 dead.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/29/wo...T.nav=top-news

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Curious where all the inbound flights are diverted to. Anyone know of a good place to visualize it?

This BA flight for example looks like it went all the way back to LHR, was denied landing clearance, and is looking for somewhere to touch down in western Europe: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW680
The BA flight went back to London, but it's landing at LGW. AF went to SOF.
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Jun 28, 2016 | 7:13 pm
  #19  
Options for getting out of an AC ticket this week?
I'm ticketed to fly to IST on Saturday (7/2) via AC 810. While I'm not personally any more concerned about travel to a city that I've spent nearly half of the last two years in today than I was yesterday, my wife and her family are panicking and seem to want to cancel our trip (and my lectures about acceptable risk and probability and such are probably making things worse...). Given that I'm starting a new job later this summer, the earliest we could feasibly reschedule for is December. I'm obviously not going without them, so now we have to figure out what our practical options are with respect to ticketing.

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on phone with Aeroplan, they read a AC waiver to change, from 6/28 to 7/5, to avoid IST airport
Date change is allowed, but other non-IST related changes aren't "free" @@ too bad I can't lump it in
I was surprised by how stingy the travel advisory just published by AC is, though perhaps I shouldn't have had high expectations. September 30th doesn't offer enough flexibility for us. We are on a Flex fare, so it's a $300 change or cancel fee per person, per direction. So - AC seems to be saying that if we want out of the trip, we're out $1200.

One thing I noticed is that we purchased the tickets with the Citi Prestige. I see on their trip cancellation insurance brochure that a covered reason for filing a claim is "A terrorist incident occurs in your destination city after you purchase your trip, and youre scheduled to arrive within 30 days of the incident." Can anyone think of any caveats that would prevent us from having Citi cover the $1200 in fees from AC?
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Jun 28, 2016 | 7:29 pm
  #20  
Quote: ..., my wife and her family are panicking and seem to want to cancel our trip (and my lectures about acceptable risk and probability and such are probably making things worse...).
Twice as many died in Orlando a couple weeks ago. Would your family want to cancel a trip there?

There's a double standard when it comes to travel advisories for non North American countries.
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Jun 28, 2016 | 8:13 pm
  #21  
Quote: Twice as many died in Orlando a couple weeks ago. Would your family want to cancel a trip there?

There's a double standard when it comes to travel advisories for non North American countries.
100% agree; however, my insistence on making such arguments is putting more strain on our relationship than this trip may be worth...
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Jun 28, 2016 | 9:01 pm
  #22  
BBC updated: A gun and bomb attack on Istanbul's Ataturk international airport has killed 36 people and injured more than 140, officials say.

Daesh is apparently claiming credit and Turkish authorities agree.

Since the cease fire with the PKK was overridden, both PKK and Daesh have been implicated in various bombings in Ankara, the capital, and Istanbul.
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Jun 29, 2016 | 12:49 am
  #23  
Quote: The NYTimes / Associated Press is reporting up to 50 dead.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/29/wo...T.nav=top-news

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Curious where all the inbound flights are diverted to. Anyone know of a good place to visualize it?

This BA flight for example looks like it went all the way back to LHR, was denied landing clearance, and is looking for somewhere to touch down in western Europe: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW680

Previously when I have been diverted from IST (due to weather) we have gone to Bursa Yenişehir Airport (YEI), there is another airport.

Sabiha Gokcen (SAW) is closer and may have been used in preference.

Those are the two closest international airports.
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Jun 29, 2016 | 1:52 am
  #24  
Quote: The attack(s) at or upon the screening checkpoint to go to the international departures check-in area at IST.

What is TSA going to do about this? Copy IST's approach at every airport in the US, despite IST/Turkey not being the US?
One thing the TSA did as a result of the attacks at the IST terminal building entrance:

The TSA had put in a ban on flights going between Turkey and the US from flying into or out of the US. This TSA ban affected ten scheduled common carrier flights that were already in the air between the two countries, but it also hit cargo and private air traffic. That TSA ban has since been lifted (effective late last night DC/VA local time).
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Jun 29, 2016 | 2:59 am
  #25  
Quote: You could move the first checkpoint to the airports boundary and that will become the first point of attack.
People have to travel naked and without luggage or ban large groups of people.
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Jun 29, 2016 | 4:08 am
  #26  
Quote: I agree completely. Any bottlenecks will be found around security screening checkpoints and the way TSA does things almost guarantees a target rich environment.
Completely agree - annoying AND dangerous.
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Jun 29, 2016 | 7:53 am
  #27  
I wonder if there is a way to check cars entering the airport area
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Jun 29, 2016 | 8:24 am
  #28  
Quote: I wonder if there is a way to check cars entering the airport area
There are many ways to do so, from the manual approach (often seen at Indian airports) to more automated process (such as those used by Eurotunnel). Of course, there's a good chance that by doing that, you're creating another bottleneck (and there is, of course, the metro as well...)
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Jun 29, 2016 | 11:57 am
  #29  
Quote: People have to travel naked and without luggage or ban large groups of people.
In this case it wasn't travelers who acted. What then?
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Jun 29, 2016 | 1:23 pm
  #30  
It looks like the bulk of the discussion has shifted over to the thread on TK, but in case anyone else flying AC is wondering my question about Citi trip insurance for an AC ticket has been rendered moot - AC is now saying that they will do full refunds.

Still a shame that my in-laws are forcing us to cancel this long-awaited trip. Was really hoping that I could convince her family to put the risks in perspective, but no luck. (Anyone have tips for talking to risk-averse family members in these situations? My attempt to compare the risks of traveling to Istanbul with those faced in everyday American life apparently came across as belittling.)
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