Current thoughts on Greece
#16




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I live in Greece and I am "connected" to the health system. I've never heard of hospitals being flooded with fake nurses. Either you missed some details (I wonder, though, what these would be), or this is the most amazing (read: bs) story I've heard on Greece. Completely illogical and full of sick fantasy (pun intended). What stuns me most is the fact that for ages I considered the NYT to be well informed 

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/08/bu...urse.html?_r=0
#17
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#18




Join Date: Jan 2004
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Thanks for the link to the "nurse" article. I see what they meant, and although slightly exaggerated, grosso modo true. Of course, no "flooding", but a description of one aspect of how the crisis has affected life in Greece. But to discuss the problem of "private nurses" (fake or true) in the context of tourism is really not central (not even peripheral) to safety for the travellers in Greece.
As for the second link, let's leave this out of FT. There are lots of sites/blogs/forums discussing the economic situation, no real need to discuss it here as well.
As for the second link, let's leave this out of FT. There are lots of sites/blogs/forums discussing the economic situation, no real need to discuss it here as well.
#19




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And yes, this is your typical flyertalker response, as this is flyertalk.
When you are in a place that's new, you tend to be scared of all things "unknown." Most of us here - we travel more than the average, and for us what you consider as 'risk' might not be risky for us. This happens as you travel more, see more things, and meet more people.
Last edited by Palal; Mar 9, 2015 at 8:57 am
#20
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I think most people who travel enough here will agree with that poster's response. You'll be fine. Safer than in most major cities in the US.
And yes, this is your typical flyertalker response, as this is flyertalk.
When you are in a place that's new, you tend to be scared of all things "unknown." Most of us here - we travel more than the average, and for us what you consider as 'risk' might not be risky for us. This happens as you travel more, see more things, and meet more people.
And yes, this is your typical flyertalker response, as this is flyertalk.
When you are in a place that's new, you tend to be scared of all things "unknown." Most of us here - we travel more than the average, and for us what you consider as 'risk' might not be risky for us. This happens as you travel more, see more things, and meet more people.
Goodness, your basic condescending typical Flyer Talk response. Obviously another personal release.
Thank you to those choosing to offer objective advice.
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#23


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Safety is a personal perception
and you have now read of mine 
Some folks are basically insecure, and good luck to them in their lives. Nobody owes them a secure mindset
#24
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Comparative statistics on crime in Greece versus crime in the US are not regularly reported and I notice that you did not provide any to support your statement.
While I suspect that you are correct that Athens remains safer than many US cities, I don't think it is insulting for someone who doesn't know to ask the question.
#25
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Yes, Athens even during active protests is still safer than most major US cities...
Unless Greece defaults on its several creditor or internal payments due within the next 10 days, that would be a different story...
Unless Greece defaults on its several creditor or internal payments due within the next 10 days, that would be a different story...
#26


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Vietnam was like that in June 1971 when I was in Saigon. Bangkok was like that in Nov-Dec 2013. I was there right beside the demonstrations and ate with the locals among peaceful Thai people, but the media portrayed Bangkok as a hell-hole. Not! The rest of the country was very quiet and bucolic as I travelled by bus north toward Laos.
Greece is safe and will be...
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I think it a reasonable proposition but data is always better than a statement from an unknown entity on the internet.
#29
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I'll bet that Greece as a country WILL be safe. There may be riots portrayed in the media, BUT the country as a whole will still be safe.
Vietnam was like that in June 1971 when I was in Saigon. Bangkok was like that in Nov-Dec 2013. I was there right beside the demonstrations and ate with the locals among peaceful Thai people.
Vietnam was like that in June 1971 when I was in Saigon. Bangkok was like that in Nov-Dec 2013. I was there right beside the demonstrations and ate with the locals among peaceful Thai people.
I'm not saying that the Greek protests have been anything like this, but I think it reasonable to ask the question as to whether it will be safe, and also will it make my holiday less enjoyable than it should be. What risks will I be taking, whether those risks be to life/property, or simply to a holiday where you can't see and do those things you went to Greece for in the first place
The best answer to these question will come from people on the ground who can tell you exactly what the impact of the changing economy and the political discord is, if any.
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In Greece, there are no large scale violent protests, unless it is an organized strike/peaceful march, which are typically quite uneventful. These organized strikes/peaceful marches were more common in previous years and do not happen now, as there is a leftist government in power. There are some occasional isolated clashes between certain "anarchist" type anti-authority small groups with police, that never involve citizens, but sometimes may involve limited destruction of public property. They are usually confined in very specific locations of political significance, such as the Polytechnic School, and often take place very late at night. Even in those clashes there are almost never deaths and rarely some injuries among those actively involved. There have never been large scale riots or protests in Greece that turn violent, with significant injuries or deaths.
Despite a sustained unemployed rate of 27% for several years now, and a reduction of standard of living by approximately 40-50%, the social fabric is still relatively strong with no substantial increase in violent crime (there is some, mostly occasional burglaries in remote locations, and petty theft). Tourists are never targeted, as far as I know, never heard of a case. There is no major organized gang activity and there are no guns in the streets.
I am not aware of official statistics though.
Despite a sustained unemployed rate of 27% for several years now, and a reduction of standard of living by approximately 40-50%, the social fabric is still relatively strong with no substantial increase in violent crime (there is some, mostly occasional burglaries in remote locations, and petty theft). Tourists are never targeted, as far as I know, never heard of a case. There is no major organized gang activity and there are no guns in the streets.
I am not aware of official statistics though.

