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sfvoyage Sep 23, 2013 3:50 pm


Originally Posted by MichaelBrighton (Post 21491131)
And no need for you to get so critical! Your description and my experience differ by night and day.

I am describing my experience and not being critical for no reason. As most Flyertalkers, we give our own opinions and describe our own experiences here - that's what this board is all about.

bankops Sep 23, 2013 4:50 pm


Originally Posted by sfvoyage (Post 21490927)
I meant to say the machines won't take cash - I have edited my post.

But they do take coins, just not all the machines.

JohnnyColombia Sep 23, 2013 6:10 pm

Out of interest, and with the caveat that this is not AMS fault (AMS doesn't even know where there shuttle buses leave from)

But can anyone tell me what this means? As written on the shuttle bus timetable for the Schiphol Crown Plaza.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...ad8fee4269b4ed

It's the type of ambiguous Dutchism that I found all over the airport. There's a big platter of bitterballen for the FTer that can explain to me how a shuttle bus can be both FREE and at the same time 7,50€ return.

NickB Sep 23, 2013 6:28 pm


Originally Posted by JohnnyColombia (Post 21493019)
It's the type of ambiguous Dutchism that I found all over the airport. There's a big platter of bitterballen for the FTer that can explain to me how a shuttle bus can be both FREE and at the same time 7,50€ return.

While this is indeed not an example of clarity, the way I would read it is that the bus is free of charge outbound from the airport but they do charge €7.50 for the inbound journey to the airport.

JohnnyColombia Sep 23, 2013 6:39 pm


Originally Posted by NickB (Post 21493097)
While this is indeed not an example of clarity, the way I would read it is that the bus is free of charge outbound from the airport but they do charge €7.50 for the inbound journey to the airport.

Seriously? An international hotel chain would offer a shuttle bus service which is free in only one direction? A bit like the Severn Bridge?

mfkne Sep 24, 2013 1:05 am

It's not Hotel California, is it? ;)

NickB Sep 24, 2013 2:37 am


Originally Posted by JohnnyColombia (Post 21493141)
Seriously? An international hotel chain would offer a shuttle bus service which is free in only one direction? A bit like the Severn Bridge?

This is not unknown. Hilton Dublin airport does that, for instance.

sfvoyage Sep 24, 2013 4:23 am


Originally Posted by bankops (Post 21492702)
But they do take coins, just not all the machines.

I just had Euro bills, which the local Dutch passengers told me the machines (next to baggage claims) don't take.

stut Sep 24, 2013 4:29 am

NS's refusal to take anything but debit cards is rather irritating. I do understand that the Netherlands has traditionally had its own home-grown EFTPOS system, and that this is a lot cheaper to the retailer, but really, even with a supplement, you'd think that they'd be able to at least take foreign chip & PIN credit cards.

I guess, though, that they now want to push the OV-Chipkaart. Even that's not the easiest to get hold of and load for visitors (although a lot easier than the Danish Rejsekort, from recent experience...)

MichaelBrighton Sep 24, 2013 5:15 am


Originally Posted by stut (Post 21494935)
NS's refusal to take anything but debit cards is rather irritating. I do understand that the Netherlands has traditionally had its own home-grown EFTPOS system, and that this is a lot cheaper to the retailer, but really, even with a supplement, you'd think that they'd be able to at least take foreign chip & PIN credit cards.

AFAIK there is a difference between debit cards and credit cards. Certainly for the user there is. If you buy tickets from an agent, either at Schiphol or somewhere else, you can pay with almost any kind of card. I say this from what I have seen rather than done myself.

I guess, though, that they now want to push the OV-Chipkaart. Even that's not the easiest to get hold of and load for visitors (although a lot easier than the Danish Rejsekort, from recent experience...)
The OV-Chipkaart has replaced all paper tickets. I believe you can buy them at news agents, tobacco shops and some hotels. There is a one-time €7.50 charge and they are valid for 4-5 years.

As an early adopter, I must say that it is a great idea. I have automatic loading via my bank account and simply check in wherever I am and checkout wherever I am going, which means never having to stand in line, never having to stand at an automat and never being short of cash to buy a ticket.

MichaelBrighton Sep 24, 2013 5:35 am


Originally Posted by JohnnyColombia (Post 21493019)
Out of interest, and with the caveat that this is not AMS fault (AMS doesn't even know where there shuttle buses leave from)

But can anyone tell me what this means? As written on the shuttle bus timetable for the Schiphol Crown Plaza.


It's the type of ambiguous Dutchism that I found all over the airport. There's a big platter of bitterballen for the FTer that can explain to me how a shuttle bus can be both FREE and at the same time 7,50€ return.

This is not a "ambiguous Dutchism", but a use of a British expression, rather than an American one. Britons call it a "return ticket", while Americans say "roundtrip ticket." Far more British people come here than Americans (plus we get British TV from our American cable company), so Dutch people (generally speaking) are more familiar with British English than American English.

Perhaps that's why some of you also complained about the signs in the terminal building.

stut Sep 24, 2013 5:40 am


Originally Posted by MichaelBrighton (Post 21495073)
AFAIK there is a difference between debit cards and credit cards. Certainly for the user there is. If you buy tickets from an agent, either at Schiphol or somewhere else, you can pay with almost any kind of card. I say this from what I have seen rather than done myself.

Correct - but you do have to pay a supplement to use a ticket counter. At smaller stations, it's not always obvious, as the counter can be part of a nearby newsagent!


The OV-Chipkaart has replaced all paper tickets. I believe you can buy them at news agents, tobacco shops and some hotels. There is a one-time €7.50 charge and they are valid for 4-5 years.

As an early adopter, I must say that it is a great idea. I have automatic loading via my bank account and simply check in wherever I am and checkout wherever I am going, which means never having to stand in line, never having to stand at an automat and never being short of cash to buy a ticket.
Oh, I really like smartcard ticketing - I must have about 10 different types in my travel wallet! But the top-up is through the iDEAL network, which is not accessible to foreigners.

I do get the reasons why it's all set up like this - but it does make life slightly more difficult for visitors.


This is not a "ambiguous Dutchism", but a use of a British expression, rather than an American one. Britons call it a "return ticket", while Americans say "roundtrip ticket." Far more British people come here than Americans (plus we get British TV from our American cable company), so Dutch people (generally speaking) are more familiar with British English than American English.
Actually, I'd say the reverse - this is American usage. In British usage, a "return ticket" means both outbound and inbound. In American usage, it's the inbound journey only. This sign seems to imply the latter.

Aviatrix Sep 24, 2013 5:42 am


Originally Posted by MichaelBrighton (Post 21495131)
This is not a "ambiguous Dutchism", but a use of a British expression, rather than an American one. Britons call it a "return ticket", while Americans say "roundtrip ticket."

A return ticket is a ticket that takes you there and back.

It's not a ticket that only covers the return part of a round trip.

Advertising a free shuttle with a "return ticket" costing 7.50 Euro is incorrect use of (British) English. A return ticket means "there and back", not just "back".

MichaelBrighton Sep 24, 2013 6:13 am


Originally Posted by Aviatrix (Post 21495163)
A return ticket is a ticket that takes you there and back.

It's not a ticket that only covers the return part of a round trip.

Advertising a free shuttle with a "return ticket" costing 7.50 Euro is incorrect use of (British) English. A return ticket means "there and back", not just "back".

As only part of the sign is visible (for example, explaining what the asteriks mean is missing), perhaps there is more to it. In fact, from the Schiphol site, the bus is free for hotel guests (not displayed in the image above) so what may have been left out is: free for hotel guests, €7.50 for everyone else.

MichaelBrighton Sep 24, 2013 6:25 am


Originally Posted by stut (Post 21495154)
Correct - but you do have to pay a supplement to use a ticket counter. At smaller stations, it's not always obvious, as the counter can be part of a nearby newsagent!

That's true. Perhaps a good reason to buy an OV-Chipkaart?


Oh, I really like smartcard ticketing - I must have about 10 different types in my travel wallet! But the top-up is through the iDEAL network, which is not accessible to foreigners.
Are you sure about that? When I buy something on the Internet with IDEAL, I always have to login and go through a bit of a process to complete it. However, with banks it is possible to empower other parties to automatically withdraw money from your account (an ISP, telephone company, etc.).

But, having said all that, yes, I'm pretty sure you need to have a Dutch bank account to use automatic loading.


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