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Prospero Aug 12, 2024 12:34 pm


Originally Posted by m3red (Post 36440484)
behind row 4

The counter is quite easy to miss but it is visible in the photo below, behind seat 4D (to the immediate left of the gentleman standing in the aisle)
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...b8eb54df3.jpeg

Vasicek Aug 12, 2024 2:01 pm


Originally Posted by Prospero (Post 36447438)
The counter is quite easy to miss but it is visible in the photo below, behind seat 4D (to the immediate left of the gentleman standing in the aisle)
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...b8eb54df3.jpeg

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...2695fbd509.png
From an IG review of the inaugural GVA flight - this is what the “bar” looks like

DYKWIA Aug 12, 2024 2:52 pm

Similar to what QR have on their B787 / A350.

thijsseh Aug 12, 2024 11:11 pm

And you obviously don’t want a real ‘bar’, a place where people gather, stand around and talk, in that position.
It looks more like what they call the ‘social area’ in the F cabin, although that of course is on the other side of the (front) curtain.

gorbatzjov Aug 14, 2024 5:56 am

Isn't that what they have in the B772's with 2 class config? I remember flying to MEX and they had such kind of "bar" area. It was much better located between the 2nd doors so you had space to stretch your legs without disturbing anyone

JTPictureman Aug 14, 2024 6:42 am


Originally Posted by DYKWIA (Post 36437664)
Did you miss this when the same link was posted yesterday? :)

yes

ekgoldmember Aug 14, 2024 7:32 am


Originally Posted by m3red (Post 36440484)
behind row 4

Thank you

ekgoldmember Aug 14, 2024 7:32 am


Originally Posted by Vasicek (Post 36447638)
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...2695fbd509.png
From an IG review of the inaugural GVA flight - this is what the “bar” looks like

thank you so much and great photograph

jah718 Aug 14, 2024 8:03 am

To be perfectly honest, this decision from EK is absolutely mind boggling to me.

It was already baffling enough that they stuck with the incredibly uncompetitive current 2-3-2 layout for so long, but to then announce a major upgrade of J on almost the entire 777 fleet and go with this layout? I mean, that just blows my mind. And then consider doing all of this while QR have been absolutely blowing everyone away with new types of seats, and doors, and all sorts of innovations for the past number of years.

Makes no sense to me.

YYCCL3 Aug 14, 2024 9:56 am

It makes total sense. EK has a very strong brand, so why bother wasting money on innovating in J when they can fill the planes at a profit anyway?

The EK recipe that they have proven to work is:

-consistently good soft product in F
-A380 showers and bar
-lots of content on the IFE in Y

Who cares about J?

thijsseh Aug 14, 2024 10:10 am


Originally Posted by YYCCL3 (Post 36451889)
It makes total sense. EK has a very strong brand, so why bother wasting money on innovating in J when they can fill the planes at a profit anyway?
snip snip

Exactly!
The 77W J product is now (well, in the rather distant future) equivalent to the A380 J product (minus the bar of course). It is comfortable (including space in the footwell which you don't get on these herringbone layouts). No gimmicky low and rattling doors etc.
QR (and others) are trying to get their J product to compete with EK F. That is because a majority of their fleet does not have F, so it is totally understandable . But for EK to try to get their J product to compete with their own F would be insane!

IntrepidAfrican2 Aug 14, 2024 10:48 am


Originally Posted by thijsseh (Post 36451912)
Exactly!
The 77W J product is now (well, in the rather distant future) equivalent to the A380 J product (minus the bar of course). It is comfortable (including space in the footwell which you don't get on these herringbone layouts). No gimmicky low and rattling doors etc.
QR (and others) are trying to get their J product to compete with EK F. That is because a majority of their fleet does not have F, so it is totally understandable . But for EK to try to get their J product to compete with their own F would be insane!

Agreed. It is also an assumption that the retrofit J seat is the destination seat. I think we will only really know when the A350 enters service. We might see a rattling door on the A350 if there’s no F on that type, or if we see all F transition to the gamechanger.

Otherwise, it is strategic suicide for EK to try to react to a smaller rival’s decisions, who have a different segmentation model from EK’s.

The Emir Aug 15, 2024 3:35 am


Originally Posted by thijsseh (Post 36448532)
And you obviously don’t want a real ‘bar’, a place where people gather, stand around and talk, in that position.
It looks more like what they call the ‘social area’ in the F cabin, although that of course is on the other side of the (front) curtain.

I bet the pax in surrounding seats hope it doesn't degenerate into the "anti-social area"! :p
Probably be more crowded than the "social area" in F which is usually just the shower attendant!

Stratoliner777 Jan 11, 2025 11:30 am

Looks like the new EK A350 gets pretty much the same seat. But this report finds a major flaw — the thick fixed armrests make the bed too narrow! Is the new 777 J seat with the same flaw — or perhaps its greater width avoids this?

This video is not clickbait, it shows compellingly the problem.


Vasicek Jan 11, 2025 12:50 pm


Originally Posted by Stratoliner777 (Post 36807513)
Looks like the new EK A350 gets pretty much the same seat. But this report finds a major flaw — the thick fixed armrests make the bed too narrow! Is the new 777 J seat with the same flaw — or perhaps its greater width avoids this?

This video is not clickbait, it shows compellingly the problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQnva-aSSrU


That’s really disappointing to see. It strikes me as a major design flaw on the a350.

I flew on the new 777 business class and don’t recall having that issue.


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