Originally Posted by BadoRas (Post 34864950)

I hesitate to add this, but those who are always pursuing a miles upgrade or miles redemption flight to avoid paying full fare for a seat they cannot afford to pay cash for, may tend to forget that they are in a small minority of people. They might mistakenly think that everyone is playing the same game.

What they probably forget is that most people travelling on an aeroplane actually pay cash for the fare class they choose. No airline could survive without that being true.

They do so because;

1. They don't fly often enough to garner enough miles and cannot afford to buy the number of miles they need, or

2. They have the money to secure a seat in the class they want and cannot be bothered with the drawn out and increasingly uncertain game of using miles to upgrade.

The vast majority of passengers can only hope for an op-up.

I suggest that those who persist with trying to get the seat they want using miles are people who purchase or are provided with a Y or J seat several times a year. This allows them to accrue enough miles to hope for an upgrade or a 'free' flight.

And I suspect these are the people who are now disgruntled with increasing surcharges and miles to achieve what they want, and in response are saying they will change airlines.

I understand it is disappointing to observe the diminishing chances of continuing this process. But these people must not fool themselves that Emirates gives a toss about losing them. At the end of the day, rightly or wrongly, it's clear that Emirates wants cash, not redeemed miles. And I think they believe the miles redeemers will be replaced by those prepared to pay with cold hard cash for the higher class of travel they want.

I do not subscribe to that theory. I believe that the upgrade / flight redemption path gives those passengers an opportunity to experience J or F travel, importantly encouraging them to purchase those initial Y or J seats. It keeps their loyalty to what I believe is a very good airline.

I do think that Emirates will suffer if they lose this group of people. It's a bad decision that will come back to bite them.

Originally Posted by Will08 (Post 34870290)

I am under no illusion EK will sorely miss my business, but maybe a little more than those who who redeemed Alaska miles!

Originally Posted by HB7 (Post 34870341)

I've done a search and I can see that it seems different routes have had different levels of increase. I don't see any 100% increase anywhere. One example I can talk to is DXB-CDG in F, a route I have booked/flown/searched for a fair bit. It has been circa 89k for a while, and it has now gone up to 102k - a roughly 16% increase. Unfortunately the real issue remains the taxes/fees which are now 500 Euros compared to 100 Euros only one year ago.

Originally Posted by DYKWIA (Post 34870338)

I certainly hope the current inflated prices are not here to stay... If they are, I won't be flying EK, that's for sure!

Originally Posted by joorinainen (Post 34870645)

Im sure that when supply and demand normalize after covid and the economy eventually cools down we will see prices come down significantly.

Originally Posted by HB7 (Post 34870341)

I've done a search and I can see that it seems different routes have had different levels of increase. I don't see any 100% increase anywhere. One example I can talk to is DXB-CDG in F, a route I have booked/flown/searched for a fair bit. It has been circa 89k for a while, and it has now gone up to 102k - a roughly 16% increase. Unfortunately the real issue remains the taxes/fees which are now 500 Euros compared to 100 Euros only one year ago.

Originally Posted by BadoRas (Post 34873756)

From the perspective of revenue tickets, I have seen practically no price or surcharge increases for at least 3 years on my usual MEL-DXB-Africa flights. However, it's different for my US destination. For travel later next year, I notice MEL-DXB-JFK fares have increased substantially, while MEL-DXB-ARN is virtually the same as 3 years ago for the same time of year.

It looks lik EK is making assumptions about what increases will survive on certain routes. Time will tell.

Originally Posted by ukdoctor (Post 34873782)

UK to India in J is over twice what it used to be before covid .I've often travelled in J savers and return was well under 2k
These days it's often £4k +++ and I'm in the back ;-(

Originally Posted by BadoRas (Post 34873756)

From the perspective of revenue tickets, I have seen practically no price or surcharge increases for at least 3 years on my usual MEL-DXB-Africa flights. However, it's different for my US destination. For travel later next year, I notice MEL-DXB-JFK fares have increased substantially, while MEL-DXB-ARN is virtually the same as 3 years ago for the same time of year.

It looks lik EK is making assumptions about what increases will survive on certain routes. Time will tell.

Originally Posted by m3red (Post 34866725)

Im on ek 22 on Friday 30th.

Originally Posted by mochi0172 (Post 34882456)

I’m not seeing the new award and fuel charge rates that bloggers (namely Ben at One Mile at a Time) are talking about. Checked several dates in 2023. Want to book a trip but scared to transfer over points and having the prices change as I check out.

Originally Posted by mochi0172 (Post 34882456)

I’m not seeing the new award and fuel charge rates that bloggers (namely Ben at One Mile at a Time) are talking about. Checked several dates in 2023. Want to book a trip but scared to transfer over points and having the prices change as I check out.