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Originally Posted by Sandeep1
(Post 34864634)
20%? Try 100%
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I hesitate to add this, but those who are always pursuing a miles upgrade or miles redemption flight to avoid paying full fare for a seat they cannot afford to pay cash for, may tend to forget that they are in a small minority of people. They might mistakenly think that everyone is playing the same game.
What they probably forget is that most people travelling on an aeroplane actually pay cash for the fare class they choose. No airline could survive without that being true. They do so because; 1. They don't fly often enough to garner enough miles and cannot afford to buy the number of miles they need, or 2. They have the money to secure a seat in the class they want and cannot be bothered with the drawn out and increasingly uncertain game of using miles to upgrade. The vast majority of passengers can only hope for an op-up. I suggest that those who persist with trying to get the seat they want using miles are people who purchase or are provided with a Y or J seat several times a year. This allows them to accrue enough miles to hope for an upgrade or a 'free' flight. And I suspect these are the people who are now disgruntled with increasing surcharges and miles to achieve what they want, and in response are saying they will change airlines. I understand it is disappointing to observe the diminishing chances of continuing this process. But these people must not fool themselves that Emirates gives a toss about losing them. At the end of the day, rightly or wrongly, it's clear that Emirates wants cash, not redeemed miles. And I think they believe the miles redeemers will be replaced by those prepared to pay with cold hard cash for the higher class of travel they want. I do not subscribe to that theory. I believe that the upgrade / flight redemption path gives those passengers an opportunity to experience J or F travel, importantly encouraging them to purchase those initial Y or J seats. It keeps their loyalty to what I believe is a very good airline. I do think that Emirates will suffer if they lose this group of people. It's a bad decision that will come back to bite them. |
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Originally Posted by pifly
(Post 34864701)
Sorry to hear this, time to start burning the miles.
On an every cloud note; we had been waitlisted for Y-J upgrade since Nov on MAN-DXB on 30th Dec, got the email and called and was only charged the old no of miles to upgrade, was expecting to have to shell out the increase - maybe because it was 'reserved' beforehand Happy holidays |
Originally Posted by BadoRas
(Post 34864950)
I hesitate to add this, but those who are always pursuing a miles upgrade or miles redemption flight to avoid paying full fare for a seat they cannot afford to pay cash for, may tend to forget that they are in a small minority of people. They might mistakenly think that everyone is playing the same game.
What they probably forget is that most people travelling on an aeroplane actually pay cash for the fare class they choose. No airline could survive without that being true. They do so because; 1. They don't fly often enough to garner enough miles and cannot afford to buy the number of miles they need, or 2. They have the money to secure a seat in the class they want and cannot be bothered with the drawn out and increasingly uncertain game of using miles to upgrade. The vast majority of passengers can only hope for an op-up. I suggest that those who persist with trying to get the seat they want using miles are people who purchase or are provided with a Y or J seat several times a year. This allows them to accrue enough miles to hope for an upgrade or a 'free' flight. And I suspect these are the people who are now disgruntled with increasing surcharges and miles to achieve what they want, and in response are saying they will change airlines. I understand it is disappointing to observe the diminishing chances of continuing this process. But these people must not fool themselves that Emirates gives a toss about losing them. At the end of the day, rightly or wrongly, it's clear that Emirates wants cash, not redeemed miles. And I think they believe the miles redeemers will be replaced by those prepared to pay with cold hard cash for the higher class of travel they want. |
Originally Posted by thijsseh
(Post 34864802)
However upset I also am about the devaluation (see my earlier post), this ‘100%’ is factually incorrect as this would make Skywards worth nothing at all, which is obviously not the case.
I think we should try to keep emotion out of the discussion (however difficult that may be…) |
Even using the routes in that blog, I can’t replicate the figures quoted. |
Originally Posted by DYKWIA
(Post 34868301)
Rather than just linking to a blog, could you give some real life examples of where there has been a 100% increase?
Even using the routes in that blog, I can’t replicate the figures quoted. |
Wow sizeable increase on being able to use points to upgrade. Have a bunch of points just about to expire and was considering purchasing some to give me enough points to upgrade from Akl to Dxb to first. But I dont think it would be worth purchasing any unless I can be assured of the upgrade before original points expire.
I think the skywards program is not going to be very attractive at all to NZers going forward as hard to redeem. |
Originally Posted by Susiew237
(Post 34868430)
Wow sizeable increase on being able to use points to upgrade. Have a bunch of points just about to expire and was considering purchasing some to give me enough points to upgrade from Akl to Dxb to first. But I dont think it would be worth purchasing any unless I can be assured of the upgrade before original points expire.
I think the skywards program is not going to be very attractive at all to NZers going forward as hard to redeem. |
Originally Posted by Sandeep1
(Post 34868313)
The blog highlights several of the routes that experienced 100% increases. Even uses big pictures for those who don't want to read. Emirates has also said it will take a few weeks for everything to be finalized, so if you're unable to replicate, give it a few more weeks.
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Originally Posted by Sandeep1
(Post 34868494)
Disappointing for sure. Was hoping to fly EK F again at some point in the future (flew once in 2017 when Alaska redemptions were still attractive), but going to be hard now. Maybe Aeroplan.
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Originally Posted by DYKWIA
(Post 34869305)
As I asked, please provide some concrete evidence of these 100% increases, not just just a blog with BIG PICTURES.
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Originally Posted by Sandeep1
(Post 34869315)
Examples are in the blog. Don't know what else to tell you.
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Originally Posted by BadoRas
(Post 34864950)
I hesitate to add this, but those who are always pursuing a miles upgrade or miles redemption flight to avoid paying full fare for a seat they cannot afford to pay cash for, may tend to forget that they are in a small minority of people. They might mistakenly think that everyone is playing the same game.
What they probably forget is that most people travelling on an aeroplane actually pay cash for the fare class they choose. No airline could survive without that being true. They do so because; 1. They don't fly often enough to garner enough miles and cannot afford to buy the number of miles they need, or 2. They have the money to secure a seat in the class they want and cannot be bothered with the drawn out and increasingly uncertain game of using miles to upgrade. The vast majority of passengers can only hope for an op-up. I suggest that those who persist with trying to get the seat they want using miles are people who purchase or are provided with a Y or J seat several times a year. This allows them to accrue enough miles to hope for an upgrade or a 'free' flight. And I suspect these are the people who are now disgruntled with increasing surcharges and miles to achieve what they want, and in response are saying they will change airlines. I understand it is disappointing to observe the diminishing chances of continuing this process. But these people must not fool themselves that Emirates gives a toss about losing them. At the end of the day, rightly or wrongly, it's clear that Emirates wants cash, not redeemed miles. And I think they believe the miles redeemers will be replaced by those prepared to pay with cold hard cash for the higher class of travel they want. I do not subscribe to that theory. I believe that the upgrade / flight redemption path gives those passengers an opportunity to experience J or F travel, importantly encouraging them to purchase those initial Y or J seats. It keeps their loyalty to what I believe is a very good airline. I do think that Emirates will suffer if they lose this group of people. It's a bad decision that will come back to bite them. Also, with "taxes" as high as AUD $1,800 for SYD-Europe in F pp, EK is gaining the equivalent of a Y fare for most F redemptions. It's bizarre that partners like AC can redeem and pay less than EK's own members. I do, however, agree that they are pursuing the cash upgrade over redemption options. Some flights never open for F full redemptions but waitlist, auto upgrade and airport upgrades are all offered.
Originally Posted by DYKWIA
(Post 34869336)
Blog appears to be incorrect. There are increases, but I've not found anything like 100% that you stated.
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