Emirates orders 40 Boeing 787-10 Dreamliners at DAS
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707, 727, 737, 747, 777, and 787 all just happen to have fuselage widths that are neatly divided by 17" ±0.1" seats. I hardly think this is a coincidence.
There was certainly some window dressing about 8-across, but that yields seats and armrests that look more like tight PE. Boeing designs planes for 17" seats, regardless of what they claim.
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I think the answer is pretty clear when you look at the seat width of nearly every Boeing made for the last 60 years.
707, 727, 737, 747, 777, and 787 all just happen to have fuselage widths that are neatly divided by 17" ±0.1" seats. I hardly think this is a coincidence.
There was certainly some window dressing about 8-across, but that yields seats and armrests that look more like tight PE. Boeing designs planes for 17" seats, regardless of what they claim.
707, 727, 737, 747, 777, and 787 all just happen to have fuselage widths that are neatly divided by 17" ±0.1" seats. I hardly think this is a coincidence.
There was certainly some window dressing about 8-across, but that yields seats and armrests that look more like tight PE. Boeing designs planes for 17" seats, regardless of what they claim.
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Did not know that, interesting, but does that account for the interior padding and air conditioning and width of aisles, which aren't always the exact same width as a seat, what about the lost space through the curvature of the fuselage and possibly an inch or two from armrests? Just seems that a couple inches more than 17" per seat might be required.
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I'm excited yet somewhat disappointed. Personally prefer the A350s to the 787, as a passenger I never felt the benefit of the technological advances and thought the plain felt cheap
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I've found that the flying the 787 regularly has far fewer side effects than frequently flying on the 77W. I don't get to do it that often but I feel the difference when I do.
The cabin pressure, humidity and ride quality are far superior in the 787. I'm looking forward to flying these on DXB-EU routes!
The cabin pressure, humidity and ride quality are far superior in the 787. I'm looking forward to flying these on DXB-EU routes!
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I've found that the flying the 787 regularly has far fewer side effects than frequently flying on the 77W. I don't get to do it that often but I feel the difference when I do.
The cabin pressure, humidity and ride quality are far superior in the 787. I'm looking forward to flying these on DXB-EU routes!
The cabin pressure, humidity and ride quality are far superior in the 787. I'm looking forward to flying these on DXB-EU routes!
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The 787 would be ideal for the shorter routes between DXB and Europe/ME/India.
But I shiver with the thought of them replacing the 777's on some of the long-distance runs.
Never will I forget spending 3 days in bed with a blue, swollen foot after a lovely 10 hour trip in Y on a Qatar 787.
I also did not enjoy having to spend those 10 hours with my arms crossed, because resting them would mean my right elbow would get bumped by everyone passing through the aisle, and the left would be resting on the man-boob of my neighbour.
The 777 is already cramped as it is, but at least you don't have to share 50% of that cramped legroom with an entertainment box, and unless your neighbour is obese, you can actually rest your arms.
But I shiver with the thought of them replacing the 777's on some of the long-distance runs.
Never will I forget spending 3 days in bed with a blue, swollen foot after a lovely 10 hour trip in Y on a Qatar 787.
I also did not enjoy having to spend those 10 hours with my arms crossed, because resting them would mean my right elbow would get bumped by everyone passing through the aisle, and the left would be resting on the man-boob of my neighbour.
The 777 is already cramped as it is, but at least you don't have to share 50% of that cramped legroom with an entertainment box, and unless your neighbour is obese, you can actually rest your arms.
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Cabin configurations aside, the only thing I noticed between them is that the XWB is slightly quieter. Then again my 350 experience was VN, and my 787 NZ and ANA....so it could be the service colouring my judgment.
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The 787 would be ideal for the shorter routes between DXB and Europe/ME/India.
But I shiver with the thought of them replacing the 777's on some of the long-distance runs.
Never will I forget spending 3 days in bed with a blue, swollen foot after a lovely 10 hour trip in Y on a Qatar 787.
I also did not enjoy having to spend those 10 hours with my arms crossed, because resting them would mean my right elbow would get bumped by everyone passing through the aisle, and the left would be resting on the man-boob of my neighbour.
The 777 is already cramped as it is, but at least you don't have to share 50% of that cramped legroom with an entertainment box, and unless your neighbour is obese, you can actually rest your arms.
But I shiver with the thought of them replacing the 777's on some of the long-distance runs.
Never will I forget spending 3 days in bed with a blue, swollen foot after a lovely 10 hour trip in Y on a Qatar 787.
I also did not enjoy having to spend those 10 hours with my arms crossed, because resting them would mean my right elbow would get bumped by everyone passing through the aisle, and the left would be resting on the man-boob of my neighbour.
The 777 is already cramped as it is, but at least you don't have to share 50% of that cramped legroom with an entertainment box, and unless your neighbour is obese, you can actually rest your arms.
On a serious note: the old 777s have entertainment boxes, this is more an issue with the seat manufacturer and actual IFE design, as far as I can tell the latest versions of EK's ICE don't have any underseat box, or if they do it's very narrow and flat under the seat - I don't see why the same couldn't be implemented in a 787.
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Yeah, my experience of both were on QR. The A350 was very much quieter, and just seemed a bit more comfortable (for the 45 minutes we were in the air - DOH-DXB)