Emirates chief open to working closely with Etihad
Oct 12, 2017, 2:29 am
#17
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Linking all the airports isnt really that difficult. Maybe the National Railway delay of phase two linking Abu Dhabi, and Dubai is a blessing.
A few new re designs, and a 300 kilometer an hour plus dedicated link is very possible. The original plan was to have a 160 kph pax train which l always thought was not fast enough.
Ali three airports DXB, DWC, and AUH could be used.
Pax would transfer at their arriving airport if the connecting flight is up to two hours. Anything over two hours pax could connect at a different airport.
A few new re designs, and a 300 kilometer an hour plus dedicated link is very possible. The original plan was to have a 160 kph pax train which l always thought was not fast enough.
Ali three airports DXB, DWC, and AUH could be used.
Pax would transfer at their arriving airport if the connecting flight is up to two hours. Anything over two hours pax could connect at a different airport.
Oct 12, 2017, 2:38 am
#18
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Linking all the airports isnt really that difficult. Maybe the National Railway delay of phase two linking Abu Dhabi, and Dubai is a blessing.
A few new re designs, and a 300 kilometer an hour plus dedicated link is very possible. The original plan was to have a 160 kph pax train which l always thought was not fast enough.
Ali three airports DXB, DWC, and AUH could be used.
Pax would transfer at their arriving airport if the connecting flight is up to two hours. Anything over two hours pax could connect at a different airport.
A few new re designs, and a 300 kilometer an hour plus dedicated link is very possible. The original plan was to have a 160 kph pax train which l always thought was not fast enough.
Ali three airports DXB, DWC, and AUH could be used.
Pax would transfer at their arriving airport if the connecting flight is up to two hours. Anything over two hours pax could connect at a different airport.
Oct 12, 2017, 2:39 am
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Linking all the airports isnt really that difficult. Maybe the National Railway delay of phase two linking Abu Dhabi, and Dubai is a blessing.
A few new re designs, and a 300 kilometer an hour plus dedicated link is very possible. The original plan was to have a 160 kph pax train which l always thought was not fast enough.
Ali three airports DXB, DWC, and AUH could be used.
Pax would transfer at their arriving airport if the connecting flight is up to two hours. Anything over two hours pax could connect at a different airport.
A few new re designs, and a 300 kilometer an hour plus dedicated link is very possible. The original plan was to have a 160 kph pax train which l always thought was not fast enough.
Ali three airports DXB, DWC, and AUH could be used.
Pax would transfer at their arriving airport if the connecting flight is up to two hours. Anything over two hours pax could connect at a different airport.
Oct 12, 2017, 2:45 am
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Oct 12, 2017, 3:19 am
#21
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The issue with anything faster than 200km/h is whether there's enough distance to get up to speed. Trains need a long way to accelerate and decelerate. Investing an extra 3bn to add 100km/h to the top speed which the train can only achieve for 7 minutes might not make much sense. But yeah a geographically diverse setup as you mention could work In think as well, it'll help congestion and if done right be rather seamless
If l were incharge l would start by sitting all the Railway heads at one table, and asking them how can we link each airport with a travel time of 20 minutes max P2P?? What do we need to do to acheive our objective?
I have had so many discussions regarding this topic, and the frustrating delay to DWC build.
The more the delay the harder it is to commit.
To be honest if EK, and EY were to merge, why would they even build the DWC mega airport? Leave DXB the way it is, leave DWC as it is focussing on leisure, LCC, and cargo. AUH has alot more room left to build an additional terminal, and runways, and there you go, you have just saved the country 50 billion USD by not expanding DWC, and justifying all the investment that was spent on DXB, and AUH. What does it matter where what is if its a merger, its all about us instead of l.
The merged name could also be called Emirates because it represents the whole country, but the name could also be difficult if egos get in the way od logic.
Oct 12, 2017, 3:34 am
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The additional billions wouldnt just be spent linking the airports, the infrastructure would also be shared by the original UAE, and GCC Nacional Railway planed grid. The Airport Express would just share.parts of the track, and exit at the airports. The original plan stays the same with all the original stations.
If l were incharge l would start by sitting all the Railway heads at one table, and asking them how can we link each airport with a travel time of 20 minutes max P2P?? What do we need to do to acheive our objective?
I have had so many discussions regarding this topic, and the frustrating delay to DWC build.
The more the delay the harder it is to commit.
To be honest if EK, and EY were to merge, why would they even build the DWC mega airport? Leave DXB the way it is, leave DWC as it is focussing on leisure, LCC, and cargo. AUH has alot more room left to build an additional terminal, and runways, and there you go, you have just saved the country 50 billion USD by not expanding DWC, and justifying all the investment that was spent on DXB, and AUH. What does it matter where what is if its a merger, its all about us instead of l.
The merged name could also be called Emirates because it represents the whole country, but the name could also be difficult if egos get in the way od logic.
If l were incharge l would start by sitting all the Railway heads at one table, and asking them how can we link each airport with a travel time of 20 minutes max P2P?? What do we need to do to acheive our objective?
I have had so many discussions regarding this topic, and the frustrating delay to DWC build.
The more the delay the harder it is to commit.
To be honest if EK, and EY were to merge, why would they even build the DWC mega airport? Leave DXB the way it is, leave DWC as it is focussing on leisure, LCC, and cargo. AUH has alot more room left to build an additional terminal, and runways, and there you go, you have just saved the country 50 billion USD by not expanding DWC, and justifying all the investment that was spent on DXB, and AUH. What does it matter where what is if its a merger, its all about us instead of l.
The merged name could also be called Emirates because it represents the whole country, but the name could also be difficult if egos get in the way od logic.
The problem with keeping just DXB is that it's struggling with capacity even with just EK. T1 and the D gates are just a distraction, ignoring apron and runway movements the terminals themselves are near max throughput, so long-term this means moving EK flights to AUH, of course it all depends on how the merged entity works. It'd be hard to agree how to split the route network, or would it be random, like how one now might get an A gate today and a C gate tomorrow? Or have anything under 2000 miles from AUH and anything longer from DXB?
Regarding the rail, of course it connects more than the airports, but even DXB-AUH I don't see a high-speed train getting up to speed for a meaningful stretch of the line, a maglev probably makes the most sense.
Oct 12, 2017, 3:46 am
#23
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The mind screw is what to do with DXB, and AUH, and all the money ivested if you go ahead with DWC. Another question l ask myself do they really need DWC, and could growth sustiain that huge airport?
With so much fake news these days, you cant get a clear picture if airframes are really parked due to slow demand, or is it maintenance.
If EK has really leveled out than they dont need to jave na expansion plan.
With so much fake news these days, you cant get a clear picture if airframes are really parked due to slow demand, or is it maintenance.
If EK has really leveled out than they dont need to jave na expansion plan.
Oct 12, 2017, 1:35 pm
#24
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It depends on your age 
Joke aside, for those having technical interrogations, the French TGV currently links two cities 150km apart in 46 minutes, or 82km apart in 26 minutes. That's station to station.
If you consider the current transfer at DXB with bus ride + walk all the way to the end of the terminal, a half-hour high-speed ride is not scandaleous.
This said, a merger won't necessarily mean the disappearance of one of the two brands, EY and EK can coexist, with two different positioning though.
Joke aside, for those having technical interrogations, the French TGV currently links two cities 150km apart in 46 minutes, or 82km apart in 26 minutes. That's station to station.
If you consider the current transfer at DXB with bus ride + walk all the way to the end of the terminal, a half-hour high-speed ride is not scandaleous.
This said, a merger won't necessarily mean the disappearance of one of the two brands, EY and EK can coexist, with two different positioning though.
Oct 12, 2017, 7:32 pm
#25
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I don’t think it’s as difficult as many here are making it out to be.
South Asian and US traffic could use DXB, being that it’s closer to the part of Dubai most South Asians would want to access and the logical connection between the US and South Asia via the UAE.
DWC would best suit European and Australasian traffic, firstly because of the number of direct connections between the two and secondly being that it’s close to the part of Dubai most of these visitors would want to access.
AUH for both Short haul and Far East traffic because (for Far East flights) these would be long flights and with less volume. Also, less (imo) short connections due to the the longer flights. I’d recommend it for local traffic too because the locals would appreciate the more reserved and local atmosphere of Abu Dhabi as well as there being more locals in the AUH area.
Link the three by rail, it doesn’t even need to be high speed, just make sure the frequency is good, like 4-6 trains per hour, and implement minimum connection times,
DXB-DWC and DWC-DXB - 2.5 hours
DXB-AUH and AUH-DXB - 3.5 hours
DWC-AUH and AUH-DWC - 2.5 hours
There are other considerations of course for example:
Whilst most Indians wouldn’t connect to the Far East via Dubai because there are plenty of direct options, Pakistanis wouldn’t find the idea so feeble because there aren’t so many direct connections from Pakistan to East Asia.
Whilst there are huge numbers of South Asians using EK and EY to get to the US, this is perhaps offset by the greater demand of European to Australilasian traffic.
I haven’t really any knowledge what African flights’ customers main demands are so I’ll leave it up for debate which airport those flights should use.
South Asian and US traffic could use DXB, being that it’s closer to the part of Dubai most South Asians would want to access and the logical connection between the US and South Asia via the UAE.
DWC would best suit European and Australasian traffic, firstly because of the number of direct connections between the two and secondly being that it’s close to the part of Dubai most of these visitors would want to access.
AUH for both Short haul and Far East traffic because (for Far East flights) these would be long flights and with less volume. Also, less (imo) short connections due to the the longer flights. I’d recommend it for local traffic too because the locals would appreciate the more reserved and local atmosphere of Abu Dhabi as well as there being more locals in the AUH area.
Link the three by rail, it doesn’t even need to be high speed, just make sure the frequency is good, like 4-6 trains per hour, and implement minimum connection times,
DXB-DWC and DWC-DXB - 2.5 hours
DXB-AUH and AUH-DXB - 3.5 hours
DWC-AUH and AUH-DWC - 2.5 hours
There are other considerations of course for example:
Whilst most Indians wouldn’t connect to the Far East via Dubai because there are plenty of direct options, Pakistanis wouldn’t find the idea so feeble because there aren’t so many direct connections from Pakistan to East Asia.
Whilst there are huge numbers of South Asians using EK and EY to get to the US, this is perhaps offset by the greater demand of European to Australilasian traffic.
I haven’t really any knowledge what African flights’ customers main demands are so I’ll leave it up for debate which airport those flights should use.
Last edited by akalra1187; Oct 12, 2017 at 7:46 pm
Oct 12, 2017, 11:36 pm
#26
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It depends on your age
Joke aside, for those having technical interrogations, the French TGV currently links two cities 150km apart in 46 minutes, or 82km apart in 26 minutes. That's station to station.
If you consider the current transfer at DXB with bus ride + walk all the way to the end of the terminal, a half-hour high-speed ride is not scandaleous.
This said, a merger won't necessarily mean the disappearance of one of the two brands, EY and EK can coexist, with two different positioning though.
Joke aside, for those having technical interrogations, the French TGV currently links two cities 150km apart in 46 minutes, or 82km apart in 26 minutes. That's station to station.
If you consider the current transfer at DXB with bus ride + walk all the way to the end of the terminal, a half-hour high-speed ride is not scandaleous.
This said, a merger won't necessarily mean the disappearance of one of the two brands, EY and EK can coexist, with two different positioning though.
Oct 13, 2017, 1:05 am
#27
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I don’t think it’s as difficult as many here are making it out to be.
South Asian and US traffic could use DXB, being that it’s closer to the part of Dubai most South Asians would want to access and the logical connection between the US and South Asia via the UAE.
DWC would best suit European and Australasian traffic, firstly because of the number of direct connections between the two and secondly being that it’s close to the part of Dubai most of these visitors would want to access.
AUH for both Short haul and Far East traffic because (for Far East flights) these would be long flights and with less volume. Also, less (imo) short connections due to the the longer flights. I’d recommend it for local traffic too because the locals would appreciate the more reserved and local atmosphere of Abu Dhabi as well as there being more locals in the AUH area.
Link the three by rail, it doesn’t even need to be high speed, just make sure the frequency is good, like 4-6 trains per hour, and implement minimum connection times,
DXB-DWC and DWC-DXB - 2.5 hours
DXB-AUH and AUH-DXB - 3.5 hours
DWC-AUH and AUH-DWC - 2.5 hours
There are other considerations of course for example:
Whilst most Indians wouldn’t connect to the Far East via Dubai because there are plenty of direct options, Pakistanis wouldn’t find the idea so feeble because there aren’t so many direct connections from Pakistan to East Asia.
Whilst there are huge numbers of South Asians using EK and EY to get to the US, this is perhaps offset by the greater demand of European to Australilasian traffic.
I haven’t really any knowledge what African flights’ customers main demands are so I’ll leave it up for debate which airport those flights should use.
South Asian and US traffic could use DXB, being that it’s closer to the part of Dubai most South Asians would want to access and the logical connection between the US and South Asia via the UAE.
DWC would best suit European and Australasian traffic, firstly because of the number of direct connections between the two and secondly being that it’s close to the part of Dubai most of these visitors would want to access.
AUH for both Short haul and Far East traffic because (for Far East flights) these would be long flights and with less volume. Also, less (imo) short connections due to the the longer flights. I’d recommend it for local traffic too because the locals would appreciate the more reserved and local atmosphere of Abu Dhabi as well as there being more locals in the AUH area.
Link the three by rail, it doesn’t even need to be high speed, just make sure the frequency is good, like 4-6 trains per hour, and implement minimum connection times,
DXB-DWC and DWC-DXB - 2.5 hours
DXB-AUH and AUH-DXB - 3.5 hours
DWC-AUH and AUH-DWC - 2.5 hours
There are other considerations of course for example:
Whilst most Indians wouldn’t connect to the Far East via Dubai because there are plenty of direct options, Pakistanis wouldn’t find the idea so feeble because there aren’t so many direct connections from Pakistan to East Asia.
Whilst there are huge numbers of South Asians using EK and EY to get to the US, this is perhaps offset by the greater demand of European to Australilasian traffic.
I haven’t really any knowledge what African flights’ customers main demands are so I’ll leave it up for debate which airport those flights should use.
Oct 13, 2017, 1:56 am
#28
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I take a train every single time I transit DXB. From B to A and back, to enjoy the A lounge. If that train ride were a little more comfortable and took 30 minutes instead of 3, it could work. It'd be an entirely new concept of airport layout/travel, of course, but there's an argument to be made that it can work.
Oct 13, 2017, 3:35 am
#29
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My take on this is that DXB will be an all-EK airport within the next 10 years. All the other airlines at DXB will be shunted to DWC. This would then give the option to expand by extending / modernizing T2 to EK standards. Adding a fast shuttle/train between the T1/T3 & T2 would be a lot cheaper than to DWC/AUH.
As for EY, maybe there will be a working relationship and some codeshares, with an overall reduction in some of the duplicated routes. For example, my local airport has 3 EK & 2 EY flights per day, plus 3 QR and 1 OM. I doubt very much they all go out full, so rationalising some of the EK/EY flights would increase yields and cut costs... probably
As for EY, maybe there will be a working relationship and some codeshares, with an overall reduction in some of the duplicated routes. For example, my local airport has 3 EK & 2 EY flights per day, plus 3 QR and 1 OM. I doubt very much they all go out full, so rationalising some of the EK/EY flights would increase yields and cut costs... probably
Oct 13, 2017, 4:00 am
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My take on this is that DXB will be an all-EK airport within the next 10 years. All the other airlines at DXB will be shunted to DWC. This would then give the option to expand by extending / modernizing T2 to EK standards. Adding a fast shuttle/train between the T1/T3 & T2 would be a lot cheaper than to DWC/AUH.