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Old Jun 7, 17, 9:46 am
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Airbus Superjumbo May Get Lifeline as Emirates Mulls 20-Jet Deal

"Emirates, the biggest operator of Airbus SEs A380 superjumbo, is in talks about the purchase of 20 more of the double-decker jets in a move that could extend the lifespan of a program dogged by slow sales, people familiar with the discussions said."



Source: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...80-superjumbos
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Old Jun 7, 17, 10:24 am
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I don't see any way that decision would make sense.

EK needs to start shifting to the A350 and B787
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Old Jun 7, 17, 11:20 am
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Originally Posted by skywardhunter View Post
I don't see any way that decision would make sense.

EK needs to start shifting to the A350 and B787
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Old Jun 7, 17, 11:35 am
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I agree but as for "sense" I think it's part industry ego and part huge discounts that could make this deal come to fruition.

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I don't see any way that decision would make sense.

EK needs to start shifting to the A350 and B787
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Old Jun 7, 17, 12:00 pm
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A silly decision. They have already deferred existing orders of the A380. They most certainly need to consider the A350 now.
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Sounds like they've been offered a bulk discount. A380 makes sense if it's full.
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Old Jun 7, 17, 3:59 pm
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Originally Posted by roberino View Post
Sounds like they've been offered a bulk discount. A380 makes sense if it's full.
EK already get a ~30% discount on A380s - unless Airbus is going to get a per-unit loss on A380s (I mean, the programme breakeven point is probably never going to get reached anyway), then there isn't much scope for it to go lower.

On top that, as EK always finance their purchases, we have to look at the expected weakness of the A380 secondary market to see if they will even get any good terms on it.

I think it's just a negotiating strategy by EK to see if they can get better hot climate performance out of Airbus, if any, imho.
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Old Jun 7, 17, 5:12 pm
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With the current rumors of Emirates introducing Economy Premium, buying more A380's might not be a bad idea.
The upper deck economy class on their two-class A380's would be perfect for such a solution.
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This idea sounds silly. What airbus needs is more customer, not just from one company, one fund source.

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Old Jun 7, 17, 11:42 pm
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Originally Posted by skywardhunter View Post
I don't see any way that decision would make sense.

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That's what I thought too.

Another question, they'll decide in 2018 if they're going to extend the leases on their oldest A380's, now, what if they don't, any view on airline's waiting for A380's to hit the second hand market?
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I don't think even DL, Queen of the secondary aircraft market, have any interest in these birds. Just doesn't nearly fit into their current plan. Could work under a few plan but would have to be a very attractive rate.

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That's what I thought too.

Another question, they'll decide in 2018 if they're going to extend the leases on their oldest A380's, now, what if they don't, any view on airline's waiting for A380's to hit the second hand market?
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Originally Posted by JasperT View Post
TAnother question, they'll decide in 2018 if they're going to extend the leases on their oldest A380's, now, what if they don't, any view on airline's waiting for A380's to hit the second hand market?
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I don't think even DL, Queen of the secondary aircraft market, have any interest in these birds. Just doesn't nearly fit into their current plan. Could work under a few plan but would have to be a very attractive rate.
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Seems like a very accurate answer! Haha.

Didn't MH try to sell their A380's, as they were (are) just sitting on the tarmac? And that was a couple of years ago now.. Don't know what's happening with those at this moment.
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Didn't MH try to sell their A380's, as they were (are) just sitting on the tarmac? And that was a couple of years ago now.. Don't know what's happening with those at this moment.
They operate the twice daily KUL - LHR route for MH. AFAIK MH rotate the airframes through to keep them all ticking over.

Probably an indication of the weakness of the A380 secondary market or maybe MH are waiting to re-launch some of their axed longhaul routes??
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Surprised Emirates isn't using the teaser of new purchases to try to convince Airbus to come up with a NEO/NEXT version with more fuel-efficient engines.
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