May 27, 2017, 2:56 am
Last edit by: Zol
What is Ramadan?
Ramadan is the ninth month in the Muslim calendar where Muslims fast from sunrise to sunset.
Ramadan is a holy month to Muslims and also a joyous and spiritual time. I am concentrating upon that which most effects Non-Muslims during Ramadan.
When is Ramadan?
Because the Muslim´calendar is a lunar calendar the date in the Julian, or solar, calendar changes every year. Each year it is about 11 days earlier than the previous year.
Ramadan 2017 is 27 May to 25 June.
Ramadan 2018 is 16 May to 14 June (expected)
When does Ramadan actually start?
The Muslim day starts at sunset and continues to sunset. Sightings for the new moon are taken at sunset and when sighted the month of Ramadan has started. Fasting begins later in the Muslim day at sunrise. Thus if Ramadan starts on June 6th then it is the sighting of the new moon at sunset on June 5th that marks the official start.
Are there exceptions to the rules?
There are exceptions to fasting rules such as the aged, sick, pregnant women, travellers, etc.
Some branches of Islam demand payment of a fine or a penance, such as feeding the poor, for breaking the fast whilst other branches do not. In some branches of Islam travellers may voluntarily choose to continue fasting whilst other branches forbid fasting whilst travelling.
When does Fasting take place?
From Sunrise to Sunset (Dawn to Dusk). The latter could cause serious health problems for those who live at latitude 48.5 or greater. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight for an explanation.
How does Ramadan affect EK?
EK adheres to the rules of Ramadan.
Food is always available inside the airport and on all flights. This is because of the traveller rules.
Non alcoholic drinks are always available both in the airport and on all flights.
Alcohol is available at Dubai International Airport as normal. There could be restrictions during day-time. In every respect, service is unchanged throughout EK.
Duty free alcohol is available at DDF.
How does Ramadan affect the UAE?
If you leave the airport during Ramadan please remember
1) It is extremely offensive, and in some Muslim countries, a criminal offence, to be seen eating, drinking, smoking or chewing gum in public during the period of fasting.
2) Most hotel outlets wlil function as normal but without music till after sunset, other outlets might restrict the sale of alcohol till after sunset.
Want to know more?
https://www.emirates.com/media-centr...ce-for-ramadan
http://www.thenational.ae/uae/ramada...nth-in-the-uae
Ramadan is the ninth month in the Muslim calendar where Muslims fast from sunrise to sunset.
Ramadan is a holy month to Muslims and also a joyous and spiritual time. I am concentrating upon that which most effects Non-Muslims during Ramadan.
When is Ramadan?
Because the Muslim´calendar is a lunar calendar the date in the Julian, or solar, calendar changes every year. Each year it is about 11 days earlier than the previous year.
Ramadan 2017 is 27 May to 25 June.
Ramadan 2018 is 16 May to 14 June (expected)
When does Ramadan actually start?
The Muslim day starts at sunset and continues to sunset. Sightings for the new moon are taken at sunset and when sighted the month of Ramadan has started. Fasting begins later in the Muslim day at sunrise. Thus if Ramadan starts on June 6th then it is the sighting of the new moon at sunset on June 5th that marks the official start.
Are there exceptions to the rules?
There are exceptions to fasting rules such as the aged, sick, pregnant women, travellers, etc.
Some branches of Islam demand payment of a fine or a penance, such as feeding the poor, for breaking the fast whilst other branches do not. In some branches of Islam travellers may voluntarily choose to continue fasting whilst other branches forbid fasting whilst travelling.
When does Fasting take place?
From Sunrise to Sunset (Dawn to Dusk). The latter could cause serious health problems for those who live at latitude 48.5 or greater. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight for an explanation.
How does Ramadan affect EK?
EK adheres to the rules of Ramadan.
Food is always available inside the airport and on all flights. This is because of the traveller rules.
Non alcoholic drinks are always available both in the airport and on all flights.
Alcohol is available at Dubai International Airport as normal. There could be restrictions during day-time. In every respect, service is unchanged throughout EK.
Duty free alcohol is available at DDF.
How does Ramadan affect the UAE?
If you leave the airport during Ramadan please remember
1) It is extremely offensive, and in some Muslim countries, a criminal offence, to be seen eating, drinking, smoking or chewing gum in public during the period of fasting.
2) Most hotel outlets wlil function as normal but without music till after sunset, other outlets might restrict the sale of alcohol till after sunset.
Want to know more?
https://www.emirates.com/media-centr...ce-for-ramadan
http://www.thenational.ae/uae/ramada...nth-in-the-uae
The Ramadan Master Thread - 27 May to 25 June 2017
May 20, 2015, 9:51 am
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I think this is what EK wants to make you believe. In reality, I am sure it is an EK corporate decision not to serve alcohol on those flights. Many other (Western) airlines serve alcohol right until landing in Saudi and pop the bottles right after takeoff. So it certainly is not an airspace-based rule.
One of those situations where it is best not to rock the boat, I think
May 20, 2015, 12:15 pm
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It's not an airspace-based rule, it's covered under the Tokyo Convention 1963 as modified by the Montreal Protocol 2014 - so the State of Landing, in this case, the KSA, could if they really, really, really wanted to be petty, start to claim that drinking on board Saudi-bound flights was illegal (considering as per the protocol, whether drinking on board is illegal in the State of the Operator, which given EK is quite murky, what with alcohol licences etc. etc.).
One of those situations where it is best not to rock the boat, I think
One of those situations where it is best not to rock the boat, I think
May 26, 2015, 12:14 pm
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This said, it's not forbidden to give dates to non-muslims ...
In intra-middle-east legs, I would suggest to verify first with your fellow neighbors if they don't mind if you eat. Some may be struggling to respect fast (even though travelers are not required) and may not appreciate people eating and drinking next to them. Of course, you would be in your rights by doing so, but, ... er ... well, ... let's not behave like american flyers
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Jun 9, 2016, 11:09 pm
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It's not an airspace-based rule, it's covered under the Tokyo Convention 1963 as modified by the Montreal Protocol 2014 - so the State of Landing, in this case, the KSA, could if they really, really, really wanted to be petty, start to claim that drinking on board Saudi-bound flights was illegal (considering as per the protocol, whether drinking on board is illegal in the State of the Operator, which given EK is quite murky, what with alcohol licences etc. etc.).
One of those situations where it is best not to rock the boat, I think
One of those situations where it is best not to rock the boat, I think
Last edited by CalFlyer; Jun 10, 2016 at 8:08 am
Jun 9, 2016, 11:12 pm
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The EY lounges in Abu Dhabi are not serving alcohol during daytime in Ramadan ("only from 19:00 to 03:00"). Food and soft drinks are however available around the clock. Would be interesting to understand which Quran section is behind this rule.
How does EK handle its lounge operations during Ramadan? Maybe I should switch back for a month.
How does EK handle its lounge operations during Ramadan? Maybe I should switch back for a month.
Jun 9, 2016, 11:22 pm
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The EY lounges in Abu Dhabi are not serving alcohol during daytime in Ramadan ("only from 19:00 to 03:00"). Food and soft drinks are however available around the clock. Would be interesting to understand which Quran section is behind this rule.
How does EK handle its lounge operations during Ramadan? Maybe I should switch back for a month.
How does EK handle its lounge operations during Ramadan? Maybe I should switch back for a month.
Jun 9, 2016, 11:23 pm
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Interesting, KSA is obviously not imposing those rules yet (flights from and to Europe are as non-dry as it gets).
EK always claims that legal requirements are the reasons for not serving alcohol on board of their Saudi-bound flights. In reality, I think they are just cheap and want to save on expensive booze. My personal read.
EK always claims that legal requirements are the reasons for not serving alcohol on board of their Saudi-bound flights. In reality, I think they are just cheap and want to save on expensive booze. My personal read.
EK is very liberal with booze elsewhere
Jun 10, 2016, 12:06 am
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The EY lounges in Abu Dhabi are not serving alcohol during daytime in Ramadan ("only from 19:00 to 03:00"). Food and soft drinks are however available around the clock. Would be interesting to understand which Quran section is behind this rule.
How does EK handle its lounge operations during Ramadan? Maybe I should switch back for a month.
How does EK handle its lounge operations during Ramadan? Maybe I should switch back for a month.
Jun 10, 2016, 12:10 am
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Interesting, KSA is obviously not imposing those rules yet (flights from and to Europe are as non-dry as it gets).
EK always claims that legal requirements are the reasons for not serving alcohol on board of their Saudi-bound flights. In reality, I think they are just cheap and want to save on expensive booze. My personal read.
EK always claims that legal requirements are the reasons for not serving alcohol on board of their Saudi-bound flights. In reality, I think they are just cheap and want to save on expensive booze. My personal read.
As you know, the KSA has a delicate balancing act - a lot of pax may want booze (secretly or openly), but if it gets out EK is serving booze, will that cause a public outcry from vocal members of their society that means the boat is rocked and is that even worth it for a 1-2 hour flight?
I think it's just a happy coincidence for finance that it saves them money, rather than an active attempt to be cheap.
Jun 10, 2016, 5:00 am
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Never noticed any change on board during Ramadan. Don't think I've visited a lounge during Ramadan or if I have I didn't notice anything unusual.
Jun 10, 2016, 5:52 am
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Jun 10, 2016, 4:49 pm
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EK marketing doesn't stop amazing me
May 27, 2017, 12:14 am
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Ramadan
Hello!
Just wondering what the protocol is in the DXB F and J lounges during Ramadan wrt alcohol. Is it only served during the night?
Just wondering what the protocol is in the DXB F and J lounges during Ramadan wrt alcohol. Is it only served during the night?
May 27, 2017, 12:52 am
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