I have a feeling, might be wrong, that Mr iahphx may very well be a lobbyist trying to stir up this debate on social media, on purpose.

I am yet to see a major news outlet to pick up this thread but I suspect, based on an anecdote -we all remember the day EK took delivery of its first A380 and coincidently their domain name expired, that this thread will eventually find its way to mainstream.

Of course this whole issue might lose fizz, EK is smart in 'taking its time to respond'. Defeating the whole purpose of the US3 movement.

Must not forget this is an off-year from an election point of view so any heat will not yield much.

Apparently they are lacking in those departments. "Fair Skies" have launched a hurricane of bluster and personal attacks. If there's one thing the US3 are better at - well, it's not flying!

But hurricane season is only temporary.

How long, exactly?

Fancy a wager?

I bet that on 27 March 2016; on 27 March 2020; and on 27 March 2025 - so: 1, 5 and 10 years from today - that Emirates' network will be no smaller in North America than it is today. (I'm less willing to guess how much bigger it will be. But I think recent developments will probably have put Emirates in mind to accelerate its expansion plans)

Or is 10 years not enough for the US3 to make their slam-dunk case?

Then I hope he's being remunerated [should I say - subsidized? :D] handsomely! I can think of no other incentive for his, er, dedication to his chosen cause.

It's not a "tiny country" that's ordering airliners - it's a "huge airline".

Why shouldn't a "tiny country" have a huge airline?

Why can't an expanding airline order aircraft?

Why is it so surprising that Emirates has a large widebody aircraft order, when a) they don't fly any shorthaul aircraft, and b) their passenger numbers have been doubling, on average, every 4 to 5 years?

A simple advanced search in the Emirates Forum using "iahphx" as username and "Find Threads Started by User" will show you that THIS is the ONLY thread the OP started in this forum.
In short, the OP comes to the Emirated Forum for the sole purpose of starting an accusatory thread.
So yes, we first need to know the agenda of the OP before continuing.

And it started just before the 'FairDeal' stuff kicked off...

OK, if you want to provide facts, let's get right to them.

How do you intend to make money flying from Dubai to Orlando daily?

Where do you intend to find, daily, 50 premium class passengers? Does it not trouble you that this is a leisure route. How many daily Dubai to Orlando passengers are there currently? How many India to Orlando pax?

What about two flights a day from Seattle to Dubai? Again, how many daily Seattle-Dubai passengers are there? How many Seattle-India?

Are you not concerned that yields on your USA routes are the worst performing in North America? We know from the DOT they have had the highest declines of any US flights. Does that not impact your expansion plans? Everywhere else in the world, when yields sharply decline, service is curtailed, and expansion is certainly halted. Yet you accelerate expansion despite declining yields. Why?

Doesn't it bother you that there are 2 other airlines in your neck of the woods doing the same ultra long haul expansion to the USA? Wouldn't that be part of the reason for the freefall in yields? Wouldn't that suggest that there are already "too many" flights from the ME3 to the USA?

But why is this only a factor for routes that touch Dubai?

How do you intend to make money flying from Seattle to Orlando daily? Alaska Airlines has a plane (or two) to fill every day.

It's a leisure route, so are there two planes worth of vacationers desirous of seeing Mickey ready to depart from Sea-Tac every day? (and we know how stingy American employers are with vacation time).

Yes, I know that SEA-MCO is only a 737, so there are fewer seats to fill. And that SEA is a hub for Alaska, so they could be transferring passengers from right across the Western seaboard (they fly to MCO from SAN as well). But if you're going to just fixate on point-to-point connections - what is so unusual about Dubai that you can't ask the same question about other locations?

Can you please link to this statistic?

Thanks.

Has the US education system deteriorated to the point where facts and questions have become one in the same in the eyes of its pupils?

Facts are facts when I say they are facts...not before or after!!:D

Looks too well orchestrated, this whole movement, doesn't it?

A plausible explanation could be that there was the false expectation that by starting this debate on FT, most replies would yield a resounding yes. Then a short while later a journalist or blogger would reference this discussion as valid source since FT has some good credentials/reputation.

Just imagine the punchline: there's an ongoing public discussion on FT by well travelled frequent flyers all raising valid questions about the legitimacy of 3 subsidised ME airlines flying at a loss into the US market.

Just think why those other websites where the consensus is opposite to here got picked up by the media and in the hwite paper, but not this one?!

And the discussion here is far more academic, insightful and credible.

Errr... Don't hold your breath :)

As you know, yield information is one of the most tightly guarded secrets an airline has.

So, the OP is now making things up to fit his argument rather than just posting jingoistic bullcrap.

So what's the do dollar amount for subsidies you are OK with? My dad is a retired executive at GM in Canada, and was working in 2009 - when the government gave Chrysler and GM 13 billion dollars. So you can say it's not common for billions and billions - in 2009 the place I lived did it, I can't remember what Bush and Obama approved for the US side of it but I'm sure it eclipsed the 13 billion given here.

That's what I was thinking. That data such as yield information - an internal economic metric - is totally outside the remit (or interest) of a federal department such as the DoT.

But given that the OP was willing to make such an unrealistic claim, I thought at least I should allow him to substantiate it.

Frankly, no. I get the feeling the orchestrators of this campaign had the impression that jingoistic, chauvinistic accusations in the media would be enough; and that the gales of righteous indignation whipped up from an outraged public would fill their sails and carry them aloft - over the hurdles of proof and logic.

Instead, it all feels a bit Red Bull. And not in a good way!

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