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AA_EXP09 Mar 31, 2015 7:15 pm


Originally Posted by serfty (Post 24597274)
Maybe you could investigate VA Velocity (or delta) - transpac business reward seats are veritably prolific when compared with oneworld based options.

(but "insane" is as "insane" does - for a variety of reasons (including points/miles availability) I'm currently on a MEL-AKL-SYD-LAX-NRT [Business Class] journey..)

Not only OW-try finding UA O space-only slightly easier than finding QF Z space.
(the fact that UA does not have F class to MEL does not help either.)

GUWonder Mar 31, 2015 9:44 pm


Originally Posted by cestmoi123 (Post 24597013)
In fairness, going MEL-DXB-LAX is pretty insane. It's nearly 16000 miles vs 7900 miles for MEL-SYD-LAX.

At least one of the two Swedish girls doing a trip connecting LA with Australia via DXB has friends working/living in Dubai. Relatively good deal fares and relatively cheap place to stay/visit due to VFR options makes people do trips that they may not otherwise do.

ft101 Apr 1, 2015 12:29 am


Originally Posted by Enzokk (Post 24595728)
The paper from the US3 hasn't been answered yet by EK or the other 2 airlines. Surely if they took 2 years to compile the paper you can give a few weeks for an answer.

Sir Tim Clark responded for EK:

http://www.emirates.com/uk/english/a...rticle=2221286

moondog Apr 1, 2015 1:19 am


Originally Posted by ft101 (Post 24598536)

Already discussed up thread, I think.

ft101 Apr 1, 2015 5:58 am


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 24598665)
Already discussed up thread, I think.

Agreed, just pointing it out to Enzokk who must have missed it.

irishguy28 Apr 1, 2015 6:14 am


Originally Posted by tanglin (Post 24597334)
I've done BNE-SYD-LAX-ATL-DXB. It was insane. However I'd booked the Australian flight first and then had to go on to Dubai. 5 hour transit in LAX gave me time for a shower in the lounge :)

You should have flown in F - and had that shower in the air!!!

ioto1902 Apr 1, 2015 3:30 pm

It's unbelievable this thread goes on and on like the Duracell bunny ...

Years back :) , OP said on this thread that he wouldn't rely on an airline that uses multinational multicultural cheaply trained staff jeopardizing safety.
Well, figures show that Emirates is one of the safest in the world.
http://www.jacdec.de/airline-safety-ranking-2015/
Just look at where legacy carriers are ...

Another ranking, though commercially oriented and not purely about safety :
http://www.edreams.com/best-airlines/


Sorry to jump in. I frankly didn't have the courage to read the recent posts.

cestmoi123 Apr 2, 2015 7:10 am


Originally Posted by ioto1902 (Post 24602292)
It's unbelievable this thread goes on and on like the Duracell bunny ...

Years back :) , OP said on this thread that he wouldn't rely on an airline that uses multinational multicultural cheaply trained staff jeopardizing safety.
Well, figures show that Emirates is one of the safest in the world.
http://www.jacdec.de/airline-safety-ranking-2015/
Just look at where legacy carriers are ...

Saying you're not going to fly Emirates for "safety" reasons is as illogical as saying that Emirates is in any detectable way "more safe" than BA, or UA, or DL, or JL, etc.

moondog Apr 2, 2015 8:56 am


Originally Posted by cestmoi123 (Post 24605119)
Saying you're not going to fly Emirates for "safety" reasons is as illogical as saying that Emirates is in any detectable way "more safe" than BA, or UA, or DL, or JL, etc.

Which post introduced "safety" into the equation? Please try to stay on topic.

cestmoi123 Apr 2, 2015 10:19 am


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 24605583)
Which post introduced "safety" into the equation?

The post to which I responded did.

FD1971 Apr 6, 2015 3:01 am


Originally Posted by ioto1902 (Post 24602292)
Years back :) , OP said on this thread that he wouldn't rely on an airline that uses multinational multicultural cheaply trained staff jeopardizing safety.
Well, figures show that Emirates is one of the safest in the world.
http://www.jacdec.de/airline-safety-ranking-2015/
Just look at where legacy carriers are ...

It is indeed an issue and the NE3 are infamous in the industry for hiring people who did not really make it at other legacy carriers, so most of the pilots did not make it into the elite pilot schools we find in Switzerland or Germany. A degree from Lufthansa Flight Training or Harvard or Wharton does not necessarily mean that you better, however if you take a closer look at training standards and compare airlines like Swiss or Lufthansa with the likes of the NE3, or even worse, good old Turkish, you see differences.

FD1971 Apr 6, 2015 3:11 am


Originally Posted by Enzokk (Post 24595728)
I would appreciate it if you could show your facts again. I know you have made some statements about how Emirates have performed on certain routes but I am unaware of facts. The paper from the US3 hasn't been answered yet by EK or the other 2 airlines. Surely if they took 2 years to compile the paper you can give a few weeks for an answer.

Once again, and for the fifth time now.

You do not have to convince me, I quoted eye-witnesses who worked for the NE3, I quoted industry experts and consultants who came up with strategies for EK and the NE3, I posted numerous examples how EK copied industry-leading strategies from other airlines and airports...aside from a 70-80 page document by industry-insiders on behalf of the US3.

I really appreciate the motivation of some of the apologists in this thread, but again believing in the 1000 and 1 A310 story is like believing in the Easter bunny.

I do not want to make fun of you, but again, founding an Airline with $10 million does not really work.

And again, if the NE3 business model would be so successful, I really wonder why nobody copied it yet. :p

The A380 is on sale since years now... :D

moondog Apr 6, 2015 4:33 am


Originally Posted by FD1971 (Post 24622786)

I do not want to make fun of you, but again, founding an Airline with $10 million does not really work.

Tony Fernandes might disagree with you on this point. :D

DYKWIA Apr 6, 2015 6:47 am


Originally Posted by FD1971 (Post 24622786)
You do not have to convince me, I quoted eye-witnesses who worked for the NE3, I quoted industry experts and consultants who came up with strategies for EK and the NE3, I posted numerous examples how EK copied industry-leading strategies from other airlines and airports...aside from a 70-80 page document by industry-insiders on behalf of the US3.

Could you point me to the posts where you've quoted "industry experts" and "consultants"? I don't recall any quotes.

And what is wrong with copying strategies? If they've copied strategies from multiple airlines to come up with a winning formula, then good on them!

m3red Apr 6, 2015 10:27 am

This thread, can't believe its still going! :confused:


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