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ukdoctor Nov 19, 2014 2:51 am


Originally Posted by TRAVELSIG (Post 23864007)
The OP has not answered regarding hard data sources from:
The Economist
Foreign Policy
CAPA

So- or this debate can turn into "what I feel and what I want"- or there isn't much to debate as the hard numbers seem quite clear in answer to the OP question. OP if you can come back and pick some holes in the numbers that would be really interesting and would probably help the folks at audit out as well as some of the stressed EU airlines.


Also the OP has also not responded to my query on whether he is an armchair analyst or whether he has travelled on EK via DXB.

Its quite apparant to anyone travelling on EK that a majority of pax are not travelling to DXB but connecting to other flights . (Based on which direction they move i.e immigration /customs for entering DXB or transit)

DYKWIA Nov 19, 2014 4:37 am

The OP has been very ignorant in ignoring all the posts with hard facts, only to return with the same "I don't understand it, so it must be a scam".

He hasn't posted *any* facts whatsoever to back up his "analysis".

FLLDL Nov 19, 2014 7:52 am


Originally Posted by DYKWIA (Post 23864407)
The OP has been very ignorant in ignoring all the posts with hard facts, only to return with the same "I don't understand it, so it must be a scam".

He hasn't posted *any* facts whatsoever to back up his "analysis".

indeed, pretty sad but it is hard to support an argument with facts when no such supporting facts exist!

This thread did at least bring out some great information and facts from the other side though. The Foreign Policy article was an excellent read.

YuropFlyer Nov 19, 2014 8:45 am

Is this thread a scam of my time? :rolleyes:

RTW1 Nov 19, 2014 9:35 am

Yes :-). Isn't it wonderfull that even without any content from the OP a thread can go on and on.....

eternaltransit Nov 19, 2014 9:40 am


Originally Posted by RTW1 (Post 23865871)
Yes :-). Isn't it wonderfull that even without any content from the OP a thread can go on and on.....

Over 6.6k views in just over a week - not bad for the EK forum!

MrCharming Nov 19, 2014 11:33 am

Seems like the only thing OP has in his head is USA USA USA, and without USA nothing can be done or exist(Typical Americans - no offense)

Would like to thank others in this thread for some great information and insight into the business model that EK is running(especially some of the basic math examples)!
^

whimike Nov 19, 2014 4:30 pm


Originally Posted by MrCharming (Post 23866653)
Seems like the only thing OP has in his head is USA USA USA, and without USA nothing can be done or exist(Typical Americans - no offense)

Stereotyping is not helpful here especially since no other American in this thread agrees with him.

TPJ Nov 19, 2014 9:42 pm


Originally Posted by eshaq786 (Post 23858931)
I can imagine maybe Europe to South America via US but thats about it.

But remember that nationals from all Latin countries (apart from Chile) need visa even to transit in th USA. Even then you need to clear Immigration, security and very often Customs (I think MIA and IAH are the only exceptions as baggage is through checked). Transiting via USA is not something many people would like...

subject2load Nov 20, 2014 4:15 am


Originally Posted by eternaltransit (Post 23865913)
Over 6.6k views in just over a week - not bad for the EK forum!

Indeed ..... an impressive view count !

Maybe the secret is to include the word "scam" (even if you have no categorical evidence in support of such a claim) in your title thread ....... :rolleyes:

eshaq786 Nov 20, 2014 5:28 am


Originally Posted by TPJ (Post 23869488)
But remember that nationals from all Latin countries (apart from Chile) need visa even to transit in th USA. Even then you need to clear Immigration, security and very often Customs (I think MIA and IAH are the only exceptions as baggage is through checked). Transiting via USA is not something many people would like...

You're correct. I was gonna do a redemption on US Airways but when I discovered that I would have to apply for a visa just to transit, that idea went out the window. They are really shooting themselves in the foot by making such requirements otherwise they could capture some transit/connecting passengers.

YuropFlyer Nov 20, 2014 5:37 am


Originally Posted by eshaq786 (Post 23870467)
You're correct. I was gonna do a redemption on US Airways but when I discovered that I would have to apply for a visa just to transit, that idea went out the window. They are really shooting themselves in the foot by making such requirements otherwise they could capture some transit/connecting passengers.

This exactly.

See China, which is doing exactly the opposite, Visa-Free transit up to 72 hours - ie, you can even visit the cities/province during your transit/layover there.

I believe what China does is the much smarter idea to support your country..

iahphx Nov 20, 2014 6:05 am


Originally Posted by whimike (Post 23868267)
Stereotyping is not helpful here especially since no other American in this thread agrees with him.

More helpfully would be a financial explanation of how, reportedly without gov't subsidy, you could run a business model that has shown repeated failure everywhere else in the world. And then "double down" by flying enormous aircraft to several USA cities without any obvious way of making those routes profitable. While there are plenty of Emirates believers here, there's also 65 years of jet-age transatlantic business history. Nobody has ever made this work. Nobody. The first airline to do it, profitably, will not be from in a mid-sized Middle Eastern city.

Firemansam Nov 20, 2014 6:08 am

Oh lordy lord... My palm keeps hitting my face.. This is hilarious. Others have put up the numbers yet you still don't put up any form of evidence to back yourself or refute their claims.

RTW1 Nov 20, 2014 6:20 am

Is Emirates a financial scam?
 
He must have all of us on the ignore list because we don't agree.


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