Emirates & Freight & Strategy
Jun 14, 2012 | 3:50 am
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Emirates & Freight & Strategy
This may be obvious, but endulge me. I was wondering whilst in the shower...
My flights have EK have decreased quite a lot in recent years, but at the same time from London airports i've seen them grow massively, obviously with their 10 across 777's, multiple 380's, intensive J (on some planes), and all the time with a standard luggage allowance that in Y is more generous (at 30kgs) than any other airline.
With all the additional passengers (20-25% more than many other airlines on equivilant planes) and additional food / drink, and the additional luggage (with additional luggage allowance on that) and famous high utilisation of their planes.
Is EK purely about shifting high numbers of passengers quickly and efficiently? Is this their business model? Surely they have less ability to move freight? EK are so successful - is it because they focus purely on passenger numbers (like I guess Ryanair to an extent - but i'm not comparing the airlines in quality) - or is freight also important side to their business model?
My flights have EK have decreased quite a lot in recent years, but at the same time from London airports i've seen them grow massively, obviously with their 10 across 777's, multiple 380's, intensive J (on some planes), and all the time with a standard luggage allowance that in Y is more generous (at 30kgs) than any other airline.
With all the additional passengers (20-25% more than many other airlines on equivilant planes) and additional food / drink, and the additional luggage (with additional luggage allowance on that) and famous high utilisation of their planes.
Is EK purely about shifting high numbers of passengers quickly and efficiently? Is this their business model? Surely they have less ability to move freight? EK are so successful - is it because they focus purely on passenger numbers (like I guess Ryanair to an extent - but i'm not comparing the airlines in quality) - or is freight also important side to their business model?
Jun 14, 2012 | 6:51 am
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This may be obvious, but endulge me. I was wondering whilst in the shower...
My flights have EK have decreased quite a lot in recent years, but at the same time from London airports i've seen them grow massively, obviously with their 10 across 777's, multiple 380's, intensive J (on some planes), and all the time with a standard luggage allowance that in Y is more generous (at 30kgs) than any other airline.
With all the additional passengers (20-25% more than many other airlines on equivilant planes) and additional food / drink, and the additional luggage (with additional luggage allowance on that) and famous high utilisation of their planes.
Is EK purely about shifting high numbers of passengers quickly and efficiently? Is this their business model? Surely they have less ability to move freight? EK are so successful - is it because they focus purely on passenger numbers (like I guess Ryanair to an extent - but i'm not comparing the airlines in quality) - or is freight also important side to their business model?
My flights have EK have decreased quite a lot in recent years, but at the same time from London airports i've seen them grow massively, obviously with their 10 across 777's, multiple 380's, intensive J (on some planes), and all the time with a standard luggage allowance that in Y is more generous (at 30kgs) than any other airline.
With all the additional passengers (20-25% more than many other airlines on equivilant planes) and additional food / drink, and the additional luggage (with additional luggage allowance on that) and famous high utilisation of their planes.
Is EK purely about shifting high numbers of passengers quickly and efficiently? Is this their business model? Surely they have less ability to move freight? EK are so successful - is it because they focus purely on passenger numbers (like I guess Ryanair to an extent - but i'm not comparing the airlines in quality) - or is freight also important side to their business model?
Jun 14, 2012 | 11:34 am
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13 tonnes of freight is normal on a 77W out of most destinations less than seven hours.
Plus a standard weight is used on most flights for catering.
Then add up the baggage load, it equals out that some have heaps more, some have carry-on (on most flights).
Ek business model is a minimum of daily or nothing, unless it will make us a sh!t load of money, or that at least daily is achievable in the near term.
Brucey
Plus a standard weight is used on most flights for catering.
Then add up the baggage load, it equals out that some have heaps more, some have carry-on (on most flights).
Ek business model is a minimum of daily or nothing, unless it will make us a sh!t load of money, or that at least daily is achievable in the near term.
Brucey
Jun 15, 2012 | 5:32 am
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It makes sense as EK are to my mind very polished in making money.
I guess they have less space for freight than other airlines - I know the 77W is great for freight - but surely the extra 100+ pax & extra 10 kgs allowance must add up and eat away at some capacity?
I guess they have less space for freight than other airlines - I know the 77W is great for freight - but surely the extra 100+ pax & extra 10 kgs allowance must add up and eat away at some capacity?
Jun 15, 2012 | 11:30 pm
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Not at all. 13t is with a full load of pax in 3 class config. Pax weight includes carry on and luggage allowance for the appropriate class.
Pax bags are loaded in the rear hold. There is always excess space after loading.
Then the forward hold is available for freight. So space is not a problem either.
Pax bags are loaded in the rear hold. There is always excess space after loading.
Then the forward hold is available for freight. So space is not a problem either.