OT: is Arkia getting mad? Sending E195 to CDG!
Jan 29, 09, 10:43 am
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OT: is Arkia getting mad? Sending E195 to CDG!
I was surprised to see the IZ now sends E195 o CDG! Are they getting mad? Sending a regional jet to France! 5 hours in such a small a/c? BTW, I didn't know that the E195 had enough range to reach CDG.
Your thoughts?
Your thoughts?
Jan 29, 09, 1:31 pm
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I think TLV -> CDG is around 3288km
Assuming the 195 is LR, Its capable of doing 3334km.
Hmmmm... I dont think i would go on such flight... 8-)
Assuming the 195 is LR, Its capable of doing 3334km.
Hmmmm... I dont think i would go on such flight... 8-)
Jan 29, 09, 3:01 pm
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The E-195 must feel more claustrophobic than the 753 according to what I saw...
Jan 29, 09, 3:37 pm
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The range of the 777-200ER is 7700 nmi and TLV-LAX is 7575 nmi. Will you take this flight now?
Originally Posted by LY777
The E-195 must feel more claustrophobic than the 753 according to what I saw...
For a fair comparison, ask JetBlue passengers what they prefer - A320 or E190?
Here is a thread in FT on this matter
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Jan 29, 09, 3:58 pm
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TLV-LAX is only 6581nm (or 7574 mi or 12189 km)... The 77E has indeed a range of 7700 nm (or 14260 km). So, there is no comparison possible. IZ puhes the E-195 to its limits.
Jan 29, 09, 4:23 pm
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Jan 30, 09, 12:58 am
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I'm sorry, but TLV-CDG is 2040 miles which are 1772 nmi - far away from the 2200 nmi limit of the E195.
Jan 30, 09, 2:23 am
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First you cannot compare E195 to 777, Maybe to 737 if not 717... 8-).
Second, We are talking about different engines, And different airplane
capabilities (i dont think E195 is designed in mind for gliding while boing is).
Third, Its a Regional airplane, Used for international flights, With Israelis!
Means normally the plane reach also its maximum allowed weight 8-)
Someone here is really pushing the limit..., I am sure they have checked
all possible aspects before doing so, And i am sure others also do
similar things, Anyway i didnt fly Arkia before and i dont thing i will start
doing now 8-)
Thanks,
Eran.
Second, We are talking about different engines, And different airplane
capabilities (i dont think E195 is designed in mind for gliding while boing is).
Third, Its a Regional airplane, Used for international flights, With Israelis!
Means normally the plane reach also its maximum allowed weight 8-)
Someone here is really pushing the limit..., I am sure they have checked
all possible aspects before doing so, And i am sure others also do
similar things, Anyway i didnt fly Arkia before and i dont thing i will start
doing now 8-)
Thanks,
Eran.
Jan 30, 09, 3:16 am
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First you cannot compare E195 to 777, Maybe to 737 if not 717... 8-).
Second, We are talking about different engines, And different airplane
capabilities (i dont think E195 is designed in mind for gliding while boing is).
Third, Its a Regional airplane, Used for international flights, With Israelis!
Means normally the plane reach also its maximum allowed weight 8-)
Someone here is really pushing the limit..., I am sure they have checked
all possible aspects before doing so, And i am sure others also do
similar things, Anyway i didnt fly Arkia before and i dont thing i will start
doing now 8-)
Thanks,
Eran.
Second, We are talking about different engines, And different airplane
capabilities (i dont think E195 is designed in mind for gliding while boing is).
Third, Its a Regional airplane, Used for international flights, With Israelis!
Means normally the plane reach also its maximum allowed weight 8-)
Someone here is really pushing the limit..., I am sure they have checked
all possible aspects before doing so, And i am sure others also do
similar things, Anyway i didnt fly Arkia before and i dont thing i will start
doing now 8-)
Thanks,
Eran.
The E-Jet is not designed for 5-hour route. A major downgrade for IZ...
Jan 30, 09, 8:45 am
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