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offerendum Jan 22, 2016 1:52 am


Originally Posted by milepig (Post 26057912)
Per Se just got a scathing review in the NYTimes, and the comments mostly support the rating.

This place must have been changed.


Originally Posted by CGRA (Post 26057744)
You're right : not yet the level to be a pizzeria

I see, you are really in love:D Sometimes there is such a love with a place, I have some too.

CGRA Jan 22, 2016 3:39 pm

In beverly hills : belvedere at the pen or wolwgang ? Thank you


Originally Posted by offerendum (Post 26060402)
I see, you are really in love:D Sometimes there is such a love with a place, I have some too.

True
I'll remember my time there for ever : couple seated next to us received a phone call from their kid saying that a stranger is in their home..., After several minutes I understood that it was a young child speaking about a ghost or similar

PsiFighter37 Jan 22, 2016 6:48 pm


Originally Posted by milepig (Post 26057912)
Per Se just got a scathing review in the NYTimes, and the comments mostly support the rating.

To be fair, a good number of the comments were excoriating the fact that Pete Wells gets to spend north of $700/person on dinner.

As for the food - I've only been once, and it was excellent. That said, of the 3-star Michelins in NYC, it would not be my top choice, and certainly not at its current price point.

sig05 Jan 22, 2016 8:41 pm

If you had to choose one restaurant in Paris and London for a honeymoon, which would you select? I've been leaning towards Gordon Ramsay in London and Guy Savoy in Paris for our two big nights out. However, there are so many places that I really don't know which to choose.

VivoPerLei Jan 23, 2016 1:33 am


Originally Posted by sig05 (Post 26065390)
If you had to choose one restaurant in Paris and London for a honeymoon, which would you select? I've been leaning towards Gordon Ramsay in London and Guy Savoy in Paris for our two big nights out. However, there are so many places that I really don't know which to choose.

What is your criteria? Are you looking for a tasting menu, wine pairing, a la carte, etc.? Do you want the best food or the best upscale dining experience? There are indeed a multitude of places in London depending on what you are looking for. On the surface, I would say The Ledbury over Gordon Ramsay, but if you really want the three star Michelin experience with 5 waiters hovering around your table at all times, then it would be Gordon Ramsay.

sig05 Jan 23, 2016 7:15 am


Originally Posted by VivoPerLei (Post 26066059)
What is your criteria? Are you looking for a tasting menu, wine pairing, a la carte, etc.? Do you want the best food or the best upscale dining experience? There are indeed a multitude of places in London depending on what you are looking for. On the surface, I would say The Ledbury over Gordon Ramsay, but if you really want the three star Michelin experience with 5 waiters hovering around your table at all times, then it would be Gordon Ramsay.

We are looking for a 3 Star experience with a tasting menu for at least one dinner in each city. For the remainder of our meals, I think we want a place with the best food where a local would go to celebrate a special occasion.

CGRA Jan 23, 2016 10:06 am


Originally Posted by sig05 (Post 26066827)
We are looking for a 3 Star experience with a tasting menu for at least one dinner in each city. For the remainder of our meals, I think we want a place with the best food where a local would go to celebrate a special occasion.

Guy savoy is a good choice. I prefer Epicure at the Bristol

offerendum Jan 23, 2016 2:51 pm


Originally Posted by sig05 (Post 26066827)
We are looking for a 3 Star experience with a tasting menu for at least one dinner in each city. For the remainder of our meals, I think we want a place with the best food where a local would go to celebrate a special occasion.

Same answer as before (VivoPerLei). Ledbury if the trappings are not such important or you like a relaxed atmosphere. Gordon Ramsey (no clue about the new chef) or even Alain Ducasse (if food is not such important/ you donīt eat regulary at 3 star restaurants). Iīm also a big fan of Marcus Wareing but donīt know the new retaurant.

VivoPerLei Jan 24, 2016 5:43 am


Originally Posted by offerendum (Post 26068825)
Same answer as before (VivoPerLei). Ledbury if the trappings are not such important or you like a relaxed atmosphere. Gordon Ramsey (no clue about the new chef) or even Alain Ducasse (if food is not such important/ you donīt eat regulary at 3 star restaurants). Iīm also a big fan of Marcus Wareing but donīt know the new retaurant.

Yeah, that's about it unless he wants to trek out the Waterside Inn in Bray. For the purposes of FT research I'm going to eat at Alain Ducasse this year just so I can give it an honest opinion. Given sig05's desire for the full three star experience, and being on his honeymoon no less, maybe the Table Lumičre at Alain Ducasse would be his preference after all.

sig05, if you go with one of the three stars for dinner, my best advice to you would be to book The Ledbury or similar for lunch the next day or where convenient during your stay. London dining is an embarrassment of riches at the moment, and there are great lunch deals galore. You can have lunch at most of the two stars for bargain pricing, and most offer the full tasting menu for lunch if you want that as well. I often prefer lunch over dinner if having the tasting menu because I don't want to finish so late. At Le Gavroche all I could get was a 2130 table and they told me, don't worry, many customers finish at 0100. For me, that's late, especially when you need the tube to get home.


Originally Posted by sig05 (Post 26066827)
We are looking for a 3 Star experience with a tasting menu for at least one dinner in each city. For the remainder of our meals, I think we want a place with the best food where a local would go to celebrate a special occasion.

Take a look at www.andyhayler.com if you want an exhaustive first-hand review of nearly every restaurant in London. Despite Mr. Hayler's strange obsession with Hedone, I usually find his reviews spot-on. He has probably also posted reviews of the better restaurants in Paris, but I haven't checked.

op487062 Jan 24, 2016 2:02 pm

I liked Hedone. It's not the 3-star experience of other restaurants, but i liked the food.

sig05 Jan 24, 2016 8:57 pm


Originally Posted by offerendum (Post 26068825)
Same answer as before (VivoPerLei). Ledbury if the trappings are not such important or you like a relaxed atmosphere. Gordon Ramsey (no clue about the new chef) or even Alain Ducasse (if food is not such important/ you donīt eat regulary at 3 star restaurants). Iīm also a big fan of Marcus Wareing but donīt know the new retaurant.

I live in FL, we don't have regular 3 star restaurants. We're going to both cities for the sole purpose of experiencing cuisine that we cannot get domestically. I wouldn't describe myself as a foodie because I hate the stereotype. However, we're looking for a memorable experience; something that we will literally never forget whether it was the food, service, or wait staff.


Originally Posted by VivoPerLei (Post 26071197)
Yeah, that's about it unless he wants to trek out the Waterside Inn in Bray. For the purposes of FT research I'm going to eat at Alain Ducasse this year just so I can give it an honest opinion. Given sig05's desire for the full three star experience, and being on his honeymoon no less, maybe the Table Lumičre at Alain Ducasse would be his preference after all.

sig05, if you go with one of the three stars for dinner, my best advice to you would be to book The Ledbury or similar for lunch the next day or where convenient during your stay. London dining is an embarrassment of riches at the moment, and there are great lunch deals galore. You can have lunch at most of the two stars for bargain pricing, and most offer the full tasting menu for lunch if you want that as well. I often prefer lunch over dinner if having the tasting menu because I don't want to finish so late. At Le Gavroche all I could get was a 2130 table and they told me, don't worry, many customers finish at 0100. For me, that's late, especially when you need the tube to get home.

Take a look at www.andyhayler.com if you want an exhaustive first-hand review of nearly every restaurant in London. Despite Mr. Hayler's strange obsession with Hedone, I usually find his reviews spot-on. He has probably also posted reviews of the better restaurants in Paris, but I haven't checked.

VivoPerLei, I think you hit the nail on the head. I won't pretend to be some educated tourist flying across the the pond. I really do appreciate the feedback because we have such a limited time. Our biggest point of emphasis is food, whether it's a hole in the wall or a $900 meal. We appreciate the value in making memories, and whether that is slamming beers with the locals or eating caviar at a fine restaurant; we're fine either way. All we really care about is making memories together that we can share during our marriage - yes, corny I know.

MaxBuck Jan 25, 2016 9:07 am


Originally Posted by sig05 (Post 26075151)
... We appreciate the value in making memories, and whether that is slamming beers with the locals or eating caviar at a fine restaurant; we're fine either way. All we really care about is making memories together that we can share during our marriage - yes, corny I know.

Not corny at all.

Although central-and-eastern European cuisine may not be notable from an objective standpoint, one of my wife's favorite travel memories is buying a loaf of rustic bread from a babushka operating out of a shed in Belgrade; it cost us about 35 cents US, and it was delicious. But we also have fond memories of Michelin-star restaurants in France. And I still recall my first trip to Europe some 30 years ago, when I enjoyed a lunch of weisswurst and Gösser beer in the shadow of St. Stephen's in Vienna. Good times.

CurbedEnthusiasm Jan 25, 2016 2:12 pm

Can I please get a recommendation for London? I love fine dining, but I can't stand paying a large bill for a meal that leaves you hungry and looking for a kebab shop afterwards. I've been extensively reading reviews, and many diners seem to complain that the portions at The Ledbury or Gordon Ramsay are not really large enough to leave a person feeling full. Any suggestions for a Michelin starred restaurant in London that won't leave you with hunger pangs would be most appreciated.

offerendum Jan 25, 2016 3:15 pm


Originally Posted by CurbedEnthusiasm (Post 26079285)
Can I please get a recommendation for London? I love fine dining, but I can't stand paying a large bill for a meal that leaves you hungry and looking for a kebab shop afterwards. I've been extensively reading reviews, and many diners seem to complain that the portions at The Ledbury or Gordon Ramsay are not really large enough to leave a person feeling full. Any suggestions for a Michelin starred restaurant in London that won't leave you with hunger pangs would be most appreciated.

Sorry, but I never left a Michelin-stared restaurant hungry, only one or two times I thought it wasnīt enough. At Ledbury this was definitively not the case.ī

P.S. I had the (Vegetarian) Tasting, as I normally never take a normal menu. At Ledbury price difference is negligible

VivoPerLei Jan 26, 2016 2:56 am


Originally Posted by CurbedEnthusiasm (Post 26079285)
Can I please get a recommendation for London? I love fine dining, but I can't stand paying a large bill for a meal that leaves you hungry and looking for a kebab shop afterwards. I've been extensively reading reviews, and many diners seem to complain that the portions at The Ledbury or Gordon Ramsay are not really large enough to leave a person feeling full. Any suggestions for a Michelin starred restaurant in London that won't leave you with hunger pangs would be most appreciated.

Not all of these have a Michelin star, but here are four restaurants where I had the tasting menu and came away stuffed:

The Typing Room (couldn't finish - first and only time)
Restaurant Story (at 3.5 hours, you will not leave hungry)
The Five Fields
The Greenhouse

Here are five where I felt like I needed a cheeseburger afterwards:

Dabbous (skimpiest of them all)
Maze
The Square (recent reviews seem to indicate they might have beefed up the portions)
Hedone
Dinner by Heston Blumenthal (no tasting menu but they do have a set lunch)


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