Holding a knife and fork
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Holding a knife and fork
I'm American but since I'm in Europe so often I seem to have adopted their custom of using a knife and fork with one exception: I am right-handed but it feels so wrong to hold the fork in my left hand and the knife in my right hand, so I don't. I'm adept at using a knife with my left hand and don't look or feel awkward at all. However, I've been told that since I'm right-handed that the way I'm doing it is wrong. I have some rather important business dinners coming up in the next few months (mostly in the UK), and it's important that I (at least appear!) well-cultured.
Is it really so bad to place the knife in my left hand when I'm actually right-handed? I never switch. The only way you can really tell that I'm right-handed is when I use my right hand to pick up a glass. I'd rather pick up the glass with my left hand than have to use my right hand to cut!
Opinions please! Thanks.
Is it really so bad to place the knife in my left hand when I'm actually right-handed? I never switch. The only way you can really tell that I'm right-handed is when I use my right hand to pick up a glass. I'd rather pick up the glass with my left hand than have to use my right hand to cut!
Opinions please! Thanks.
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This will at most elicit some reaction such as "oh, so you're left-handed?" but what's wrong with that? It's not a mistake, since there's is an explanation. It's not like you are doing an unexcusable crime, like not using knife and fork to eat your fruits
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The bad manners aren't yours - they belong to whoever told you that you are wrong for holding the knife and fork the way you do. Now THAT is rude! As long as you don't shoot food across the table when you cut it, or drop morsels in your lap when raising your fork, I see no problem using a knife with your left hand and fork in your right. If doubt if anyone at these important business dinners you have coming up will even notice - or be ill mannered enough to comment.
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Originally Posted by modgirl
However, I've been told that since I'm right-handed that the way I'm doing it is wrong. I have some rather important business dinners coming up in the next few months (mostly in the UK), and it's important that I (at least appear!) well-cultured.
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Originally Posted by Analise
And do you think that the cretin who had the audacity to correct you is "well-cultured?"
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Originally Posted by modgirl
I have some rather important business dinners coming up in the next few months (mostly in the UK), and it's important that I (at least appear!) well-cultured.
I am married to a Brit and spend a lot of time there, and have noticed that table manners vary widely. I will warn you though that I know my father-in-law has decided not to do business with people based upon poor eating habits (held fork in right hand like he was holding a crank - fist and scooping action) - not the best reason to reject someone, but when you have a choice of people to work with these types of things can come into play. Your table manners are a hallmark of your education and upbringing. I too am right handed but have come to love the left hand fork technique, tines down, with knife in right hand - it's exceedingly efficient when you get the hang of it. You might want to practice at home.
I'm sure you will be perfectly fine with your current technique, but if you want to "fit in" and/or be looked upon as being adaptive, well-bred and educated, and of a higher standard than many American business people, I would suggest you at least make an effort to master the European way.
As many of us know, it is the little things that can set us apart and create a bond of trust and respect with other cultures. Being more "like them" can go a long way in developing warm relationships - especially with Europeans - and can reap you great rewards in other areas.
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Originally Posted by ElkeNorEast
In this particular situation, it depends upon the education / "class" of the people you will be eating with. Brits have a particularly low opinion of American eating habits, but as long as you eat elegantly, and don't do the standard American switcheroo with the knife and fork all the time, you should be fine... but you MAY want to at least attempt to learn the other way.
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Originally Posted by ElkeNorEast
I'm sure you will be perfectly fine with your current technique, but if you want to "fit in" and/or be looked upon as being adaptive, well-bred and educated, and of a higher standard than many American business people, I would suggest you at least make an effort to master the European way.
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Originally Posted by taucher
In B-school, we were taught to use the right to cut in order to stand out less.
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Originally Posted by modgirl
I'm American but since I'm in Europe so often I seem to have adopted their custom of using a knife and fork with one exception: I am right-handed but it feels so wrong to hold the fork in my left hand and the knife in my right hand, so I don't. I'm adept at using a knife with my left hand and don't look or feel awkward at all. However, I've been told that since I'm right-handed that the way I'm doing it is wrong.
I really don't know why that is. But it feels perfectly natural.
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Originally Posted by ElkeNorEast
I'm sure you will be perfectly fine with your current technique, but if you want to "fit in" and/or be looked upon as being adaptive, well-bred and educated, and of a higher standard than many American business people, I would suggest you at least make an effort to master the European way.
As many of us know, it is the little things that can set us apart and create a bond of trust and respect with other cultures. Being more "like them" can go a long way in developing warm relationships - especially with Europeans - and can reap you great rewards in other areas.
As many of us know, it is the little things that can set us apart and create a bond of trust and respect with other cultures. Being more "like them" can go a long way in developing warm relationships - especially with Europeans - and can reap you great rewards in other areas.
Your comments of appearing more well-bred and cultured by adapting to the European ways of silverwear usage are equally as asinine as the examples written above. As long as people follow the universal rules of eating with their mouths closed, elbows off the table, no talking with mouths full, and no slirping of liquids, respect for others is thereby obvious.
Modgirl, follow common sense and you'll be fine. Ignore those who think that somehow Europeans are superior. That's bloated ego for you --- and very low class.
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Originally Posted by Analise
Many "well-bred and educated" Europeans smoke after meals which to many Americans is highly offensive.
I had to laugh about the dental hygiene remark. I've been told that my light teeth are what tipped me off as an American!
Analise, thank you (and many others, as well!) for your excellent comments.
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Originally Posted by Analise
Your comments of appearing more well-bred and cultured by adapting to the European ways of silverwear usage are equally as asinine as the examples written above. As long as people follow the universal rules of eating with their mouths closed, elbows off the table, no talking with mouths full, and no slirping of liquids, respect for others is thereby obvious.
Ignore those who think that somehow Europeans are superior. That's bloated ego for you --- and very low class.
Ignore those who think that somehow Europeans are superior. That's bloated ego for you --- and very low class.
If you want to do serious business on a high level with people in ANY country you will want to make the best impression possible. I agree that anyone who is polite and does keep to the standard rules of table will do well. However, people are judged on many levels, and when you feel you are on show and want to make the best impression, if you do demonstrate that you are skilled in formal table manners of the your host country it will go a long way in demonstrating that you are adaptive, knowledgable about their culture, and are keen to MAKE this impression. If you are asking someone to trust you, to build a relationship with you, then demonstrating an ability to fit in with THEIR expectations is important.
Personally, I like to sit on my sofa and eat peaches out of the tin, with one fork in my right hand. I'm not a diva, it's just my opinion that one can make a good impression in little ways. We can pretend that these things don't matter and whatever you want to do is "cool," but when you find that the person who you must impress values these things and you are not willing and / or able to perform to their expectations, you just might lose out.
But hey ho, do whatever you want. It's just my opinion.
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Originally Posted by modgirl
I'm a bit confused. I thought that the one thing both Americans and British did (if they're right-handed) was to place the knife in the left hand. The difference comes when Americans then switch utensils and the fork goes back to the right hand whereas the fork stays in the left hand for the British. Is that incorrect?
You can tell it's Monday again, right?
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Originally Posted by Analise
Modgirl, follow common sense and you'll be fine. Ignore those who think that somehow Europeans are superior. That's bloated ego for you --- and very low class.
If your goal is to blend in a business or social setting, remember the old adage, "When in Rome....".

