Go Back  FlyerTalk Forums > Travel&Dining > DiningBuzz
Reload this Page >

Holding a knife and fork

Community
Wiki Posts
Search

Holding a knife and fork

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 3, 2005 | 1:05 am
  #1  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 55
Holding a knife and fork

I'm American but since I'm in Europe so often I seem to have adopted their custom of using a knife and fork with one exception: I am right-handed but it feels so wrong to hold the fork in my left hand and the knife in my right hand, so I don't. I'm adept at using a knife with my left hand and don't look or feel awkward at all. However, I've been told that since I'm right-handed that the way I'm doing it is wrong. I have some rather important business dinners coming up in the next few months (mostly in the UK), and it's important that I (at least appear!) well-cultured.

Is it really so bad to place the knife in my left hand when I'm actually right-handed? I never switch. The only way you can really tell that I'm right-handed is when I use my right hand to pick up a glass. I'd rather pick up the glass with my left hand than have to use my right hand to cut!

Opinions please! Thanks.
modgirl is offline  
Old Jan 3, 2005 | 1:22 am
  #2  
10 Countries Visited20 Countries Visited30 Countries Visited20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: SXB
Programs: FB Silver, BD Gold rememberer, IHG Diamond Ambassador, Hilton and Marriott Gold, Accor Gold
Posts: 2,604
This will at most elicit some reaction such as "oh, so you're left-handed?" but what's wrong with that? It's not a mistake, since there's is an explanation. It's not like you are doing an unexcusable crime, like not using knife and fork to eat your fruits
Richelieu is offline  
Old Jan 3, 2005 | 6:38 am
  #3  
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Florida
Posts: 2,872
The bad manners aren't yours - they belong to whoever told you that you are wrong for holding the knife and fork the way you do. Now THAT is rude! As long as you don't shoot food across the table when you cut it, or drop morsels in your lap when raising your fork, I see no problem using a knife with your left hand and fork in your right. If doubt if anyone at these important business dinners you have coming up will even notice - or be ill mannered enough to comment.
Flyingmama is offline  
Old Jan 3, 2005 | 7:43 am
  #4  
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
10 Countries Visited
20 Countries Visited
30 Countries Visited
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 55,213
Originally Posted by modgirl
However, I've been told that since I'm right-handed that the way I'm doing it is wrong. I have some rather important business dinners coming up in the next few months (mostly in the UK), and it's important that I (at least appear!) well-cultured.
And do you think that the cretin who had the audacity to correct you is "well-cultured?"
Analise is offline  
Old Jan 3, 2005 | 8:02 am
  #5  
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Near the end of the line
Posts: 2,419
Originally Posted by Analise
And do you think that the cretin who had the audacity to correct you is "well-cultured?"
Many business and cultural guides on Europe highlight the difference between US and local usage in this matter. In B-school, we were taught to use the right to cut in order to stand out less. I mention this not to criticize the OP, but to point out cretinism and/or audacity may not have been involved.

Last edited by taucher; Jan 3, 2005 at 8:05 am
taucher is offline  
Old Jan 3, 2005 | 8:35 am
  #6  
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Sometimes Houston, Sometimes London.
Programs: CO Gold Elite, BA Blue, for the moment - Hyatt Gold Passport, Priority Club, Marriott etc etc
Posts: 2,126
Originally Posted by modgirl
I have some rather important business dinners coming up in the next few months (mostly in the UK), and it's important that I (at least appear!) well-cultured.
In this particular situation, it depends upon the education / "class" of the people you will be eating with. Brits have a particularly low opinion of American eating habits, but as long as you eat elegantly, and don't do the standard American switcheroo with the knife and fork all the time, you should be fine... but you MAY want to at least attempt to learn the other way.

I am married to a Brit and spend a lot of time there, and have noticed that table manners vary widely. I will warn you though that I know my father-in-law has decided not to do business with people based upon poor eating habits (held fork in right hand like he was holding a crank - fist and scooping action) - not the best reason to reject someone, but when you have a choice of people to work with these types of things can come into play. Your table manners are a hallmark of your education and upbringing. I too am right handed but have come to love the left hand fork technique, tines down, with knife in right hand - it's exceedingly efficient when you get the hang of it. You might want to practice at home.

I'm sure you will be perfectly fine with your current technique, but if you want to "fit in" and/or be looked upon as being adaptive, well-bred and educated, and of a higher standard than many American business people, I would suggest you at least make an effort to master the European way.

As many of us know, it is the little things that can set us apart and create a bond of trust and respect with other cultures. Being more "like them" can go a long way in developing warm relationships - especially with Europeans - and can reap you great rewards in other areas.
ElkeNorEast is offline  
Old Jan 3, 2005 | 8:39 am
  #7  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
500k
50 Countries Visited
All eyes on you!
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Biggleswade
Programs: SK Gold, AY Gold
Posts: 13,674
Originally Posted by ElkeNorEast
In this particular situation, it depends upon the education / "class" of the people you will be eating with. Brits have a particularly low opinion of American eating habits, but as long as you eat elegantly, and don't do the standard American switcheroo with the knife and fork all the time, you should be fine... but you MAY want to at least attempt to learn the other way.
Hmm. As a lifelong 'Brit', I must admit that I don't know a single person who has the slightest opinion on American eating habits.
stut is offline  
Old Jan 3, 2005 | 8:49 am
  #8  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 55
Originally Posted by ElkeNorEast
I'm sure you will be perfectly fine with your current technique, but if you want to "fit in" and/or be looked upon as being adaptive, well-bred and educated, and of a higher standard than many American business people, I would suggest you at least make an effort to master the European way.
I do! With the exception of holding my fork in my right hand (I never, ever use the shovel method, even when I'm all alone). So, essentially I eat European style as a left-hander would do except that when I reach for a glass, I reach with my right hand because I am generally right-handed. That was the gist of my question -- if one could eat with a left-handed style even though she is right-handed.
modgirl is offline  
Old Jan 3, 2005 | 8:55 am
  #9  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 55
Originally Posted by taucher
In B-school, we were taught to use the right to cut in order to stand out less.
I'm a bit confused. I thought that the one thing both Americans and British did (if they're right-handed) was to place the knife in the left hand. The difference comes when Americans then switch utensils and the fork goes back to the right hand whereas the fork stays in the left hand for the British. Is that incorrect?
modgirl is offline  
Old Jan 3, 2005 | 8:58 am
  #10  
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 6,445
Originally Posted by modgirl
I'm American but since I'm in Europe so often I seem to have adopted their custom of using a knife and fork with one exception: I am right-handed but it feels so wrong to hold the fork in my left hand and the knife in my right hand, so I don't. I'm adept at using a knife with my left hand and don't look or feel awkward at all. However, I've been told that since I'm right-handed that the way I'm doing it is wrong.
I do the same exact thing! My entire family uses the fork and knife European style. At dinner one night, though, we noticed that while they hold their fork with the left hand, I hold it in my right. We are all right-handed.

I really don't know why that is. But it feels perfectly natural.
StudentExplorer is offline  
Old Jan 3, 2005 | 9:03 am
  #11  
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
10 Countries Visited
20 Countries Visited
30 Countries Visited
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 55,213
Originally Posted by ElkeNorEast
I'm sure you will be perfectly fine with your current technique, but if you want to "fit in" and/or be looked upon as being adaptive, well-bred and educated, and of a higher standard than many American business people, I would suggest you at least make an effort to master the European way.

As many of us know, it is the little things that can set us apart and create a bond of trust and respect with other cultures. Being more "like them" can go a long way in developing warm relationships - especially with Europeans - and can reap you great rewards in other areas.
Europeans, Brits in particular, have been known to have horrendous teeth. Perhaps dental hygiene isn't a priority. Should Americans worsen their dental care to be as "well-bred and educated" as these Brits with a history of bad dental hygiene? Many "well-bred and educated" Europeans smoke after meals which to many Americans is highly offensive. Should these Americans begin stenching up the air to fit in with this crowd? The use of anti-perspirant/deodorant isn't as much a part of the European culture as it is the American culture. Should we adapt to wet and smelly armpits?

Your comments of appearing more well-bred and cultured by adapting to the European ways of silverwear usage are equally as asinine as the examples written above. As long as people follow the universal rules of eating with their mouths closed, elbows off the table, no talking with mouths full, and no slirping of liquids, respect for others is thereby obvious.

Modgirl, follow common sense and you'll be fine. Ignore those who think that somehow Europeans are superior. That's bloated ego for you --- and very low class.
Analise is offline  
Old Jan 3, 2005 | 9:27 am
  #12  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 55
Originally Posted by Analise
Many "well-bred and educated" Europeans smoke after meals which to many Americans is highly offensive.
Unfortunately, just a few weeks ago in London, someone at my table lit up WHILE I was eating. I can't tell you the self-control it took not to introduce my previous meal to her..... Of course, I said nothing, but as a non-smoker, it was absolutely horrible.

I had to laugh about the dental hygiene remark. I've been told that my light teeth are what tipped me off as an American!

Analise, thank you (and many others, as well!) for your excellent comments.
modgirl is offline  
Old Jan 3, 2005 | 9:59 am
  #13  
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Sometimes Houston, Sometimes London.
Programs: CO Gold Elite, BA Blue, for the moment - Hyatt Gold Passport, Priority Club, Marriott etc etc
Posts: 2,126
Originally Posted by Analise
Your comments of appearing more well-bred and cultured by adapting to the European ways of silverwear usage are equally as asinine as the examples written above. As long as people follow the universal rules of eating with their mouths closed, elbows off the table, no talking with mouths full, and no slirping of liquids, respect for others is thereby obvious.

Ignore those who think that somehow Europeans are superior. That's bloated ego for you --- and very low class.
Well golly gee, I think perhaps my intended message was not conveyed properly. I do not feel that Europeans are innately "superior," nor am I implying that eating in the American fashion makes one inferior, less "well-bred" or cultured. I apologize if that was the interpretation, but that was not my intended message. Obviously my wording was wrong.

If you want to do serious business on a high level with people in ANY country you will want to make the best impression possible. I agree that anyone who is polite and does keep to the standard rules of table will do well. However, people are judged on many levels, and when you feel you are on show and want to make the best impression, if you do demonstrate that you are skilled in formal table manners of the your host country it will go a long way in demonstrating that you are adaptive, knowledgable about their culture, and are keen to MAKE this impression. If you are asking someone to trust you, to build a relationship with you, then demonstrating an ability to fit in with THEIR expectations is important.

Personally, I like to sit on my sofa and eat peaches out of the tin, with one fork in my right hand. I'm not a diva, it's just my opinion that one can make a good impression in little ways. We can pretend that these things don't matter and whatever you want to do is "cool," but when you find that the person who you must impress values these things and you are not willing and / or able to perform to their expectations, you just might lose out.

But hey ho, do whatever you want. It's just my opinion.
ElkeNorEast is offline  
Old Jan 3, 2005 | 10:27 am
  #14  
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Near the end of the line
Posts: 2,419
Originally Posted by modgirl
I'm a bit confused. I thought that the one thing both Americans and British did (if they're right-handed) was to place the knife in the left hand. The difference comes when Americans then switch utensils and the fork goes back to the right hand whereas the fork stays in the left hand for the British. Is that incorrect?
Sorry, I mucked it up. I meant to say: knife in the right, fork in the left.

You can tell it's Monday again, right?
taucher is offline  
Old Jan 3, 2005 | 10:35 am
  #15  
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Near the end of the line
Posts: 2,419
Originally Posted by Analise

Modgirl, follow common sense and you'll be fine. Ignore those who think that somehow Europeans are superior. That's bloated ego for you --- and very low class.
Good advice...even if you substitute "Americans" for "Europeans".

If your goal is to blend in a business or social setting, remember the old adage, "When in Rome....".
taucher is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.