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gaobest Apr 29, 2020 1:40 pm


Originally Posted by MSYtoJFKagain (Post 32334865)
2 burgers, a kid's burger, 3 fries, and 3 shakes from my local gourmet burger place (in Brooklyn) would end up at ~50 before tax and tip.

Even Shack Shack carry out would be $48 before tax and tip (Double shackburger, double cheeseburger, single cheeseburger, 3 fries, 3 shakes)

Edit:

Just priced the Five Guys down the block, $49 for 2 cheeseburgers, 1 little cheese burger, 1 large fry, 3 milkshakes

5 Guys isn’t that tasty for me - I’d probably just not eat it. Plus our child gets their regular cheeseburger (double patty).
even shake shack wasn’t that great.

JBord Apr 29, 2020 1:42 pm


Originally Posted by kipper (Post 32335092)
We usually go to Red Robin, and while their beer is expensive, their soft drinks are as well.

Except at Five Guys, an order of large fries is enough for 2-3 people.

This was the regular. The large is $1.50 more. But you're right, there are ways to save money. My point was that Five Guys is just a step above fast food -- although one of my favorites in this space. Getting a burger from a true sit-down restaurant will often cost more. In any case, it's not difficult to get to a high price for burgers. I paid $76 for Mexican takeout last weekend for 2 people. Although I'll admit it included a $20 growler of their beer :).


Originally Posted by gaobest (Post 32335189)
it’s San Francisco - $15 for a regular burger; $7 for milkshake (probably $9 for a beer??); $5-9 for fries depending on steak fries or truffle fries. 9%-ish for tax and then 20% tip. It just adds up. I’d rather just pay $12/lb for organic ground and another $1 worth of cheese and the $0.50/slider bun. But no real fries and we could make milkshakes but our child just enjoys his Haagen daaz for dessert.

This doesn't surprise me at all. If I would have guessed where burgers for 3 people cost $75, San Francisco would probably be my first guess, followed by several other cities in California, and then maybe NYC. It's why a lot of corporations with daily meal cost limits in their travel policies make exceptions for NYC and California.

gaobest Apr 29, 2020 1:44 pm


Originally Posted by LapLap (Post 32333484)
I celebrated getting a pound of yeast some days ago by immediately putting together this very simple recipe (which I’ve used many times before as my daughter loves them)
https://www.maangchi.com/recipe/bread-rolls

... fast from start to finish.

Thanks for the link. This website also looks fun for me.

big yay on your yeast. I never once imagined that I would have 3-plus pounds of active dry yeast.

MSYtoJFKagain Apr 29, 2020 1:46 pm


Originally Posted by gaobest (Post 32335201)
5 Guys isn’t that tasty for me - I’d probably just not eat it. Plus our child gets their regular cheeseburger (double patty).
even shake shack wasn’t that great.

I was just showing that your price range wasn't outrageous. I don't like 5 Guys here, it's far too greasy. Shake Shack is great, I lived by the original for quite awhile.

kipper Apr 29, 2020 1:55 pm


Originally Posted by gaobest (Post 32335189)
it’s San Francisco - $15 for a regular burger; $7 for milkshake (probably $9 for a beer??); $5-9 for fries depending on steak fries or truffle fries. 9%-ish for tax and then 20% tip. It just adds up. I’d rather just pay $12/lb for organic ground and another $1 worth of cheese and the $0.50/slider bun. But no real fries and we could make milkshakes but our child just enjoys his Haagen daaz for dessert.

Don't you have a Red Robin out there? Fries are free with the burger. While adult burgers are probably $15, the kids burger is $7 or less. A kid's milkshake is $3. Adult milkshakes are $5/each. That's $50, plus plus tax and tip, and you are at just under $65. That assumes both adults get the most expensive burgers.

gaobest Apr 29, 2020 1:58 pm


Originally Posted by JBord (Post 32335204)
This doesn't surprise me at all. If I would have guessed where burgers for 3 people cost $75, San Francisco would probably be my first guess, followed by several other cities in California, and then maybe NYC. It's why a lot of corporations with daily meal cost limits in their travel policies make exceptions for NYC and California.

also I can grill burgers nicely so I wouldn’t order a burger for myself. I’d get a grilled chicken sandwich with toppings. And I’m sure my spouse would get something also with interesting toppings. And for a family of 3, we would get 2 of the fries choices below.
I’m pretty positive that these are correct menu prices despite being DoorDash. These prices aren’t inflated from what I recall.


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gaobest Apr 29, 2020 2:01 pm


Originally Posted by kipper (Post 32335258)
Don't you have a Red Robin out there? Fries are free with the burger. While adult burgers are probably $15, the kids burger is $7 or less. A kid's milkshake is $3. Adult milkshakes are $5/each. That's $50, plus plus tax and tip, and you are at just under $65. That assumes both adults get the most expensive burgers.

I will check but i haven’t heard of Red Robin. We have Chili’s and BJ’s Brewpub.

I have to figure out how to make French fries...

kipper Apr 29, 2020 2:13 pm


Originally Posted by gaobest (Post 32335270)
also I can grill burgers nicely so I wouldn’t order a burger for myself. I’d get a grilled chicken sandwich with toppings. And I’m sure my spouse would get something also with interesting toppings. And for a family of 3, we would get 2 of the fries choices below.
I’m pretty positive that these are correct menu prices despite being DoorDash. These prices aren’t inflated from what I recall.


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...a8ea9af03.jpeg

If you are complaining about costs, you need to realize that fries are optional, or order fries and grill burgers.

Originally Posted by gaobest (Post 32335276)
I will check but i haven’t heard of Red Robin. We have Chili’s and BJ’s Brewpub.

I have to figure out how to make French fries...

Chili's doesn't make bad burgers.

JBord Apr 29, 2020 3:38 pm


Originally Posted by gaobest (Post 32335276)
I will check but i haven’t heard of Red Robin. We have Chili’s and BJ’s Brewpub.

I have to figure out how to make French fries...

But even Red Robin will be expensive. The cost of a burger in San Francisco does not equal the cost of a burger in Texas, Florida, Wisconsin, Colorado, etc. There's a core price, then there are all kinds of state and local taxes too. The taxes are a big part of what makes Chicago expensive, although not nearly as bad as San Francisco.

You ordered from Door Dash. I've never used them, but the two I'm familiar with (Uber Eats and Caviar) both increase the price of food and often add a delivery fee or service charge (whatever that is) too. For instance, the burger price I quoted from Five Guys is about $1 more if I order it through Uber Eats. Realistically, for the 3 person meal I quoted above, the price would go up by about $10-$15 + delivery tip on Uber Eats. But if I want the better price I have to get in my car and drive 4 blocks to Five Guys for curbside delivery instead :).

corky Apr 29, 2020 4:50 pm


Originally Posted by gaobest (Post 32335276)
I will check but i haven’t heard of Red Robin. We have Chili’s and BJ’s Brewpub.

I have to figure out how to make French fries...

Why don't you try frying them in a dutch oven before investing in the deep fryer. See if it is worth it to you to do all the cutting work and then double frying and having the splatter and oil smell in your house and then storing the oil. Have you tried frozen ones that you can put in the oven? Maybe you want french fries often and it would be worth it to you. If it is just once a month or so I would go pick some up somewhere and bring home to have with the burgers you are grilling or try the frozen.
I love Red Robin but before it was going out for a burger for 3 people and now you say that you and the wife probably wouldn't get a burger! Are any of those shakes in the freezer burger and fry flavored? :p

gaobest Apr 29, 2020 4:58 pm


Originally Posted by corky (Post 32335812)
Why don't you try frying them in a dutch oven before investing in the deep fryer. See if it is worth it to you to do all the cutting work and then double frying and having the splatter and oil smell in your house and then storing the oil. Have you tried frozen ones that you can put in the oven? Maybe you want french fries often and it would be worth it to you. If it is just once a month or so I would go pick some up somewhere and bring home to have with the burgers you are grilling or try the frozen.
I love Red Robin but before it was going out for a burger for 3 people and now you say that you and the wife probably wouldn't get a burger! Are any of those shakes in the freezer burger and fry flavored? :p

I wouldn’t get a burger but my spouse might. It’s just luck that the place where we’d go has chicken breast as a sandwich option.

the whole reason for this is for the French fries. My family enjoys my grilled cheeseburgers but the lack of fries is an issue.

it’s also amusing that regular burger buns can cost from 2.99-5.99 for a 4-pack of buns at supermarkets.

Oops it’s actually time to prep/cook supper for tonight. I’m in love with the Kitchn recipe of chicken with apricot and almonds.
https://www.thekitchn.com/moroccan-r...-kitchn-175757

bensyd Apr 29, 2020 5:25 pm


Originally Posted by JBord (Post 32334023)
Are they still crispy? I start on direct high heat to get them crispy, nearly the same as a fryer. As I've said though, most of my "recipes" are just trial and error, so I may not have the best method.

They're not as crispy as fried chicken, but the skin does crisp up. I do them on a hot indirect grill (let's say around 210c) if they haven't crisped by the time they're close to being cooked then I put them directly over the flame for a minute or so. I have to say, since I've discovered reverse searing I haven't gone back to starting a cook direct then finishing indirect.

Badenoch Apr 29, 2020 5:40 pm

Living in a semi-rural region of Southern Ontario delivery is not available. Take-out is possible if we want to drive into town but it's just as easy to cook at home. The more I'm cooking the more I'm convinced that there isn't anything I can buy that I can't make equally as well except for sushi. Going out for a burger would be a serious step down.

bensyd Apr 29, 2020 7:55 pm


Originally Posted by Badenoch (Post 32335943)
Living in a semi-rural region of Southern Ontario delivery is not available. Take-out is possible if we want to drive into town but it's just as easy to cook at home. The more I'm cooking the more I'm convinced that there isn't anything I can buy that I can't make equally as well except for sushi. Going out for a burger would be a serious step down.

I'm coming to that realisation too. Although I live in the inner city, and as I want my favourite neighbourhood restaurants and pubs to be there when this is over I do continue ordering/supporting them. But it's made me realise that a lot of home delivery restaurants are pretty awful (price wise, health wise, every which way wise) and only exist because generally we're too lazy to do it ourselves. I can make myself a great meal for $10 or I can get a below average meal delivered for $20+. Plus cooking gives me something to do, and I've rediscovered my enjoyment of it.

kipper Apr 29, 2020 8:36 pm


Originally Posted by JBord (Post 32335612)
But even Red Robin will be expensive. The cost of a burger in San Francisco does not equal the cost of a burger in Texas, Florida, Wisconsin, Colorado, etc. There's a core price, then there are all kinds of state and local taxes too. The taxes are a big part of what makes Chicago expensive, although not nearly as bad as San Francisco.

You ordered from Door Dash. I've never used them, but the two I'm familiar with (Uber Eats and Caviar) both increase the price of food and often add a delivery fee or service charge (whatever that is) too. For instance, the burger price I quoted from Five Guys is about $1 more if I order it through Uber Eats. Realistically, for the 3 person meal I quoted above, the price would go up by about $10-$15 + delivery tip on Uber Eats. But if I want the better price I have to get in my car and drive 4 blocks to Five Guys for curbside delivery instead :).

The prices I quoted are for the Red Robin in San Francisco. I then used the 9% sales tax figure provided above.


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