ChateauMargaux

Aventine

PH NY is seriously not unlimited a la carte ordering! I've just had bad luck but always been charged there for overages.

The St. Regis NY is quite generous with breakfast and their menu is probably one of the most delicious and varied ones I have come across. Better to be a Plat or book through Virtuoso or SPG Luxury privileges for maximum breakfast goodness.

RichardInSF

I think this will fit better in the FT Dining forum, so I am moving it there.

RichardInSF, moderator, luxury hotels and travel

Kagehitokiri

you mean buffet right? all you can eat a la carte is extremely rare.

ChateauMargaux

Kagehitokiri

besides virtuoso also brand agency programs such as four seasons preferred partners which specifically includes room service as well

also amex plat FHR

good buffets offer multiple cooking stations

sometimes high prices makes high credits still not great

actually seem to recall report of firmdale crosby street hotel NY not charging anything for breakfast

some properties publish breakfast as included in rates (all rates, not 'bed and breakfast' rates) mostly independent and or not big chains for upscale

chains sometimes cost more than independent luxury properties

Aventine

Some Four Seasons in my experience has been very good with their "full breakfast" when booked through FSPP.

A lot of the hotels in the Luxury Forum will give more than $20 per person for a la carte at the restaurant. The best ones will waive any overages.

Kagehitokiri

likely the confusion was mentioning conrad in opening post

'second tier' brands (by price if nothing else) such as conrad, and many US independents that are somewhat upscale, with matching prices, may often offer those kinds of credits (some of them via signature, ensemble, visa, chase, etc)

ChateauMargaux

Kagehitokiri

not really subjective when talking industry rate statistics etc, but i did add that into my post

my post was also following on to >
(re price for example FS surf club MIA and NY)

when paying overages, could ask managers how hotel packages "including" breakfast work

can also negotiate direct with hotels, much easier with top luxury brands or independent

(not sure re breakfast but well regarded independent luxury in NY / UES : lowell, mark)

ChateauMargaux

Kagehitokiri

i added "(by price if nothing else)" to my post, unfortunately at exact same time/minute as your reply

also would have clarified some in first post

re brand, can be ideal to look at individual hotels, for example new FS surf club vs original FS MIA

good to hear owner continued it after dropping alila management

one of best examples of true luxury breakfast included in all rates

BamaVol

Would Embassy Suites fit the bill? Breakfast cooked to order. Not table service but you don't have to clean up after yourself. I don't know if it's unlimited but I've never been turned away from the line. Eggs, pancakes, French toast, hash browns, breakfast meats along with the usual cereals, juices and breads.

Fraser

As someone who stays at a decent number of Virtuoso-eque hotels I have wondered how far the oft touted "full breakfast" will go. I've never found myself having to pay for anything, yet have never stretched it either. I was at the Peninsula Hong Kong last month and there was some kind of Wagyu breakfast dish that I suspect wouldn't have been included

One of the best breakfasts I had of this kind was only last month at the Soori Bali. There were about two dozen breakfast choices and they were slightly smaller portions, maybe appetizer size and you could have as many as you wanted. Each day the options changed the standard was excellent. Great iced coffees too! Included in the rate for all guests.
https://www.sooribali.com/

I can't imagine there are any Embassy Suites that are Virtuoso properties

BamaVol

You're right, of course, but I saw no mention of that in the OP. I guess I failed to see that in his follow-on responses.