great tasting coffee (does this exist)?
#31
Join Date: May 2012
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When this level of detail is given on the growing end, most times the roaster would not like to waste their money and therefore present their coffee at peak quality. This is done by selling whole bean roasted fresh. Having someone work their tail off for a season in the heat only to grind the coffee and let it go stale is fairly goofy.
As far as the fridge goes, consensus in the coffee geekery community is that you can freeze whole bean in double barrier containers in the freezer, but once it's out it's out. Don't put it back in. Keeping ground coffee cold won't do anything. It's already done.
#32




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Lately for me, cafe cubanos are where it's at.
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Clover Brewing Machines
Find a Starbucks with a Clover Brewing System. They offer some great international coffees and brew the cup at the time you order it. The taste is dramatically better than standard Starbucks blends.
http://www.starbucks.com/coffee/learn/clover
http://www.starbucks.com/coffee/learn/clover
#35
Join Date: May 2012
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Find a Starbucks with a Clover Brewing System. They offer some great international coffees and brew the cup at the time you order it. The taste is dramatically better than standard Starbucks blends.
http://www.starbucks.com/coffee/learn/clover
http://www.starbucks.com/coffee/learn/clover
How do I see it now? Worthless and absurd.
You can brew higher quality coffee at home using a pour over or aeropress. The Clover still has the weakness of relying on a poorly trained sbx employee to calibrate the grinder. I seriously doubt they are back there calculating TDS and Extraction % with a refractometer.
So a Clover is really no different than putting pond water into a luxury car. The problem is the input, and the price of the machine. Most high end shops in the U.S. (the best ones) do not even bother with Clovers, and would most likely laugh at the idea of buying a Starbucks owned machine that costs $12k.
You'll notice most shops use Hario cones, Aeropresses, Chemexes, etc. Not a big refrigerator sized mammoth that does the same thing! Plus, there's something called a Gold Cup Brewer...
I went back and had a Clover brewed Kenya (I usually love them) and it was the worst I had had in two years. It was stale (old) and roasted way too dark for a Kenya.
Point is, if you think a Clover at Sbx is the peak of coffee you have a whole world of awesomeness awaiting you.
#39
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: NY, NY
Posts: 20
Last New Year's I spent several nights here - http://www.coffeeestateinn.com/ - and every morning enjoyed fresh-roasted coffee from the coffee the inn cultivated in its garden. It was amazing.
In NYC, my favorite is Blue Bottle but Stumptown and joe are also good.
In NYC, my favorite is Blue Bottle but Stumptown and joe are also good.
#41

Join Date: May 2005
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When I first began learning about coffee, I too went for the Clover at Sbx. It was better tasting than their other drip.
How do I see it now? Worthless and absurd.
You can brew higher quality coffee at home using a pour over or aeropress. The Clover still has the weakness of relying on a poorly trained sbx employee to calibrate the grinder. I seriously doubt they are back there calculating TDS and Extraction % with a refractometer.
So a Clover is really no different than putting pond water into a luxury car. The problem is the input, and the price of the machine. Most high end shops in the U.S. (the best ones) do not even bother with Clovers, and would most likely laugh at the idea of buying a Starbucks owned machine that costs $12k.
You'll notice most shops use Hario cones, Aeropresses, Chemexes, etc. Not a big refrigerator sized mammoth that does the same thing! Plus, there's something called a Gold Cup Brewer...
I went back and had a Clover brewed Kenya (I usually love them) and it was the worst I had had in two years. It was stale (old) and roasted way too dark for a Kenya.
Point is, if you think a Clover at Sbx is the peak of coffee you have a whole world of awesomeness awaiting you.
How do I see it now? Worthless and absurd.
You can brew higher quality coffee at home using a pour over or aeropress. The Clover still has the weakness of relying on a poorly trained sbx employee to calibrate the grinder. I seriously doubt they are back there calculating TDS and Extraction % with a refractometer.
So a Clover is really no different than putting pond water into a luxury car. The problem is the input, and the price of the machine. Most high end shops in the U.S. (the best ones) do not even bother with Clovers, and would most likely laugh at the idea of buying a Starbucks owned machine that costs $12k.
You'll notice most shops use Hario cones, Aeropresses, Chemexes, etc. Not a big refrigerator sized mammoth that does the same thing! Plus, there's something called a Gold Cup Brewer...
I went back and had a Clover brewed Kenya (I usually love them) and it was the worst I had had in two years. It was stale (old) and roasted way too dark for a Kenya.
Point is, if you think a Clover at Sbx is the peak of coffee you have a whole world of awesomeness awaiting you.
#42

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... anyways... a great tasting cup of joe completely lies in the taste buds of the beholder. At home, I'm definitely not picky so long as it's reasonably fresh grounds, it's not weak, and has a nice aroma. I'm good to go.
I also understand that others hold coffee in a higher regard and understand its nuances much moreso therefore, can be even more specific in their requirements.
I also understand that others hold coffee in a higher regard and understand its nuances much moreso therefore, can be even more specific in their requirements.
#43
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#44
Join Date: Jul 2010
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I roast my own coffee at home in a Nesco brand roaster. By contrast all "store bought" coffee now tastes stale and oxidized. "sweetmarias.com" has roasters for sale and a good selection of green beans. I also occasionally order beans from KoaCoffee (Hawaii).
Once you start roasting your own, you will never go back.
As a side benefit, the roaster does roasted malt for home brewed beer!
Once you start roasting your own, you will never go back.
As a side benefit, the roaster does roasted malt for home brewed beer!
#45
Join Date: Jun 2012
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I know this is probably going to make a few heads explode but I really like the lattes out of the self serve machines in most QF lounges.




