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ossipago Nov 20, 2011 3:17 pm


Originally Posted by magiciansampras (Post 17486975)
Really? There is fish in my orange juice? Interesting.

Yes, many foods fortified with omega-3 fatty acids do so via fish oil. There are plenty of vegetarian sources of omega-3s, however, such as flaxseed, nuts, and many microalgaes, but they require a little work to find.

In general, everyone would be better off knowing the ingredients in their food and their sources.

magiciansampras Nov 20, 2011 3:24 pm


Originally Posted by ossipago (Post 17487036)
Yes, many foods fortified with omega-3 fatty acids do so via fish oil. There are plenty of vegetarian sources of omega-3s, however, such as flaxseed, nuts, and many microalgaes, but they require a little work to find.

In general, everyone would be better off knowing the ingredients in their food and their sources.

Agree completely. And I don't mind that there is fish in my orange juice in the least (I take fish oil at night anyway), but it is surprising to me. ^

jrolland1975 Nov 20, 2011 6:57 pm

no there isn't. Everybody drinks water. It would help if you had some notion of the mathematical concepts you are trying to throw at me

PebbleBeach Nov 20, 2011 6:59 pm

You must be referring to the other side of Market St
 

Originally Posted by DJGMaster1 (Post 17480568)
Probably the Tossed Salad is a more appropriate name anyways.


jrolland1975 Nov 20, 2011 7:01 pm

The US is behind in terms of life expectancy because we overeat, not because we eat a lot of meat.

ossipago Nov 20, 2011 7:05 pm


Originally Posted by jrolland1975 (Post 17488022)
no there isn't. Everybody drinks water. It would help if you had some notion of the mathematical concepts you are trying to throw at me


Originally Posted by jrolland1975 (Post 17488043)
The US is behind in terms of life expectancy because we overeat, not because we eat a lot of meat.

First you complain about people not understanding how correlations work, then you make a blanket (and simplistic) causal statement about U.S. life expectancy? U.S. life expectancy is a complex issue having to do with far more than obesity, but also quality of health care, built environment, geographic distribution of population, commuting habits, stress levels, and yes, dietary contents.

Kevin AA Nov 20, 2011 7:06 pm

I don't apologize for liking meat either. I enjoy being at the top of the food chain! :p

PTravel Nov 20, 2011 7:22 pm


Originally Posted by bobsyouruncle (Post 17478205)
That is a very funny sketch. Mitchell and Webb are brilliant. For anyone who wants to see the sketch it's available on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63NNuG-6-hQ

Now, THAT's funny!

"What was that I saw running around?"

"That's the cat!"


Originally Posted by ossipago (Post 17487036)
Yes, many foods fortified with omega-3 fatty acids do so via fish oil. There are plenty of vegetarian sources of omega-3s, however, such as flaxseed, nuts, and many microalgaes, but they require a little work to find.

In general, everyone would be better off knowing the ingredients in their food and their sources.

Vitamin D3, as well -- most of it comes from lanolin processed from sheep wool.

DJGMaster1 Nov 20, 2011 8:17 pm


Originally Posted by PebbleBeach (Post 17488034)
You must be referring to the other side of Market St

Pretty much anywhere in that city

jrolland1975 Nov 20, 2011 11:47 pm

I am repeating for the third time, with consistency slightly tinted with lassitude, that I do not have any quantitative studies to support the claim meat is not unhealthy. I was asking for such studies. All I am saying is that countries that do have high meat consumptions per capita, COMPARATIVELY are also countries that have high life expectancy, COMPARATIVELY. I am also stating the factual observation that life expectancy increased in the past 200 years at the same time as people stopped eating dough and potatoes and started to enjoy hamburgers.

These are facts that do not coincide with the stereotype that vegans live longer.

That stereotype actually originated from one study called The Adventist Health Study, a huge study of Seventh Day Adventists who ate little or no meat and showed longevity increases of 7.28 years in men and 4.42 years in women. These data are confounded by the fact that Seventh Day Adventists follow healthy lifestyles free of tobacco and alcohol.

Most other studies either show no difference or are inconclusive. A fascinating paper recently published in the journal Mechanisms of Aging and Development presents an entirely new theory to explain why vegetarians do not live longer. It turns out that those who avoid eating beef suffer a deficiency of a nutrient (carnosine) that is critical to preventing lethal glycation reactions in the body.
http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2006/jan2006_awsi_01.htm

roberino Nov 21, 2011 4:27 am


Originally Posted by jrolland1975 (Post 17488022)
no there isn't. Everybody drinks water. It would help if you had some notion of the mathematical concepts you are trying to throw at me

A stunning demonstration in how to miss the point. As it happens I do have "some notion of the mathematical concepts" I'm talking about as I frequently review analytical chemistry manuscripts for journals, and they mostly involve statistical analysis. I reject the ones that try to use statistics to make conclusions from correlations that are coincidental, such as your post. Meat eating cannot be said to be responsible for longer lifespan simply because societies with a high meat consumption live longer.

GadgetFreak Nov 21, 2011 4:50 am

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Originally Posted by jrolland1975
I am repeating for the third time, with consistency slightly tinted with lassitude, that I do not have any quantitative studies to support the claim meat is not unhealthy. I was asking for such studies. All I am saying is that countries that do have high meat consumptions per capita, COMPARATIVELY are also countries that have high life expectancy, COMPARATIVELY. I am also stating the factual observation that life expectancy increased in the past 200 years at the same time as people stopped eating dough and potatoes and started to enjoy hamburgers.

These are facts that do not coincide with the stereotype that vegans live longer.

That stereotype actually originated from one study called The Adventist Health Study, a huge study of Seventh Day Adventists who ate little or no meat and showed longevity increases of 7.28 years in men and 4.42 years in women. These data are confounded by the fact that Seventh Day Adventists follow healthy lifestyles free of tobacco and alcohol.

Most other studies either show no difference or are inconclusive. A fascinating paper recently published in the journal Mechanisms of Aging and Development presents an entirely new theory to explain why vegetarians do not live longer. It turns out that those who avoid eating beef suffer a deficiency of a nutrient (carnosine) that is critical to preventing lethal glycation reactions in the body.
http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2006/jan2006_awsi_01.htm

As I said before, and you ignored, comparing lifespan in Japan and India and saying the difference is meat consumption is laughable. You also ignored the the fact that most of the gain in lifespan in the last two centuries is due to sanitation and antibiotics.

Your comments on the Adventist studies are likewise wrong. The issue of smoking is only a confounder if only one group smokes. I dont think that was the case in those studies.

USA_flyer Nov 21, 2011 7:30 am

I like meat and would be mighty irritated with someone who preached at me about eating meat.

piper28 Nov 21, 2011 11:13 am

If the vegetarians give me any hassle, I just like to point out that they've chosen to place themselves far down on the food-chain, and if we run out of food, things that eat only vegetables are going to be next up for us meat eaters.

Gaucho100K Nov 21, 2011 11:23 am


Originally Posted by magiciansampras (Post 17486975)
Really? There is fish in my orange juice? Interesting.

Actually... the interesting question is.... is the fish juice that adds the Omega 3 also made in Florida...? I mean, we are paying a premium cause' its 100% Florida grown and made in the USA.... right....???

:rolleyes:


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