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slawecki Oct 4, 2010 7:44 am


Originally Posted by stimpy (Post 14882014)
I'm saying it was likely the shipping that caused the problems somehow. There are no problems with the wines here.

Here are a few wines I am drinking these days...

http://www.hachette-vins.com/le-guid...-20082413.html

http://www.hachette-vins.com/le-guid...-20080455.html

http://www.hachette-vins.com/le-guid...-20086885.html

You can see the prices on these links. But I have no idea what they go for in the US. And there are countless others out there. Just driving around and randomly visiting a couple wineries on a nice Saturday afternoon is half the fun. Maybe more than half. Use your miles to get here!

the leflaive is available in this country. it is the better part of $40 a bottle. it is tough to find a decent st aubin for less. the other two are of too small a production to be imported.

"driving around" one finds maryland and virginia wines. both are pretty lousy wines, and very overpriced, as "driving around, tasting wine, and buying wine" is a big sport in the area.

if i bought in europe, the cost to transport a reasonable amount of wine would be prohibitive. my vendors in italy used to put my wines in my container, but i am no longer in business, and since xraying of containers, my guess is i could not do it even if i wished.

i now just purchase distressed merchandise(stuff that got too old for the shelf), which is all i can afford. i just acquired a couple cases of '06 latour santenay at $10/ bottle.

TimF1975 Oct 4, 2010 6:33 pm


Originally Posted by stimpy (Post 14878188)
First of all, you shouldn't have to pay more than €20 for really good white Burgundy, and I get it for even less sur place.

We have two very different opinions of what really good white Burgundy is. :eek:

stimpy Oct 5, 2010 2:18 am


Originally Posted by TimF1975 (Post 14886969)
We have two very different opinions of what really good white Burgundy is. :eek:

OK, I'm willing to be educated. Tell me what you think is a really good wine here and I will drive over to the winery and see how much I can get it for.

TimF1975 Oct 5, 2010 5:05 am


Originally Posted by stimpy (Post 14888855)
OK, I'm willing to be educated. Tell me what you think is a really good wine here and I will drive over to the winery and see how much I can get it for.

Bouchard Père et Fils Corton-Charlemagne. The cheapest I can find the 2005 in the US is $120.

stimpy Oct 5, 2010 8:24 am


Originally Posted by TimF1975 (Post 14889178)
Bouchard Père et Fils Corton-Charlemagne. The cheapest I can find the 2005 in the US is $120.

OK, I'll try to swing by there later this week. I'll check both the price and the taste; to see if it is really any better than some of the other excellent wines I have found around here.

SkiAdcock Oct 5, 2010 11:22 am


Originally Posted by aster (Post 14881888)
Especially useful when you bring a bottle or two back to your hotel only to find out that there is no corkscrew in the rook.

On the Hartmann duffel I use when on longer trips that gets checked, there's a corkscrew in a pocket that stays w/ the luggage permanently. Problem solved. The times I don't check luggage & I've needed a corkscrew in the hotel room & one isn't available, a tip to the hotel bartender usually gets me one ;)

Cheers.

Jazzop Oct 5, 2010 7:07 pm

I just bought a bottle of screwtop Argyle pinot noir about 10 minutes ago precisely because I realized that I left my corkscrew in the car (which is parked too far away to justify the walk). I went into the store with no intention of buying a stoppered bottle of wine. How's that for screwtops having their place?

ECOTONE Oct 5, 2010 7:16 pm


Originally Posted by TimF1975 (Post 14841989)
Unfortunately they never do any tests with the wines I like to age. Pulling some bottle from S. Africa from the 80s doesn't give me much confidence -- what's their aging track record? Give me a '78 Chave in screwcap and cork -- serve it to me blind and let me judge. I'm certainly not against screwcaps I just don't want them messing with the way my wine tastes. Maybe some say it's better and "fresher" but that might not be the style I prefer.

They will need to do similar experiments in Burgundy, Rhone and Bordeaux before they will be able to convince high end wine buyers.

Tim - when are we drinking the 78 Chave? Maybe I'll bring one on the 15th...

TimF1975 Oct 6, 2010 2:37 pm


Originally Posted by ECOTONE (Post 14893925)
Tim - when are we drinking the 78 Chave? Maybe I'll bring one on the 15th...

I will be your bff if you bring that. We're doing a Chave vertical on 10/26 -- I'm really looking forward to it, unfortunately I'd don't think '78 will be making an appearance. :(

slawecki Oct 6, 2010 5:08 pm


Originally Posted by TimF1975 (Post 14899126)
I will be your bff if you bring that. We're doing a Chave vertical on 10/26 -- I'm really looking forward to it, unfortunately I'd don't think '78 will be making an appearance. :(

whatsa chave verticle. the guy makes stuff from just above 2 buck chuck(sells for 15) up to something that a lot of people doo woopee for. bought a bunch of cornas once, for which he is bige time famous. was no thrill for me, but given my pallet, who cares. done a lot of st. joseph, and found a few white hermitage. \

not my style.

TimF1975 Oct 6, 2010 6:21 pm


Originally Posted by slawecki (Post 14899940)
whatsa chave verticle. the guy makes stuff from just above 2 buck chuck(sells for 15) up to something that a lot of people doo woopee for. bought a bunch of cornas once, for which he is bige time famous. was no thrill for me, but given my pallet, who cares. done a lot of st. joseph, and found a few white hermitage. \

not my style.

JL Chave Hermitage rouge is what I'm talking about. That's one of my favorite wines and will indicate the style of wine I prefer. I do very much enjoy Cornas -- Clape is probably my favorite but do like them with 10+ years of age. I drink very little St. Joseph and don't really like white Rhones in general.

stimpy Oct 7, 2010 11:54 am


Originally Posted by TimF1975 (Post 14889178)
Bouchard Père et Fils Corton-Charlemagne. The cheapest I can find the 2005 in the US is $120.

OK, I went to Bouchard Père et Fils today. It turns out they are just a producer who take some of the best grapes from lots of different areas in Burgundy. So Corton-Charlemagne seems to be what they consider the best of the best Chardonnay grapes. The best current year is 2007 here and that does indeed cost €80. But as Bouchard Père et Fils is the middle-man, you are significantly overpaying. That said, if you don't know which are the good wines to get around here, you can be assured of getting a decent wine from these folks. You just have to pay a bit more. They have a real nice showroom and give you a nice wooden box for your wine (yes I took one for the team and bought a bottle) and they speak perfect English as it is sure that their clients are not local. ;)

I'm currently drinking a 2006 Ladoix Clou d'Orge which cost around €30 (also a bit overpriced) and it's just about as good as the Corton-Charlemagne.

TimF1975 Oct 7, 2010 11:58 am


Originally Posted by stimpy (Post 14904326)
OK, I went to Bouchard Père et Fils today. It turns out they are just a producer who take some of the best grapes from lots of different areas in Burgundy. So Corton-Charlemagne seems to be what they consider the best of the best Chardonnay grapes. The best current year is 2007 here and that does indeed cost €80. But as Bouchard Père et Fils is the middle-man, you are significantly overpaying. That said, if you don't know which are the good wines to get around here, you can be assured of getting a decent wine from these folks. You just have to pay a bit more. They have a real nice showroom and give you a nice wooden box for your wine (yes I took one for the team and bought a bottle) and they speak perfect English as it is sure that their clients are not local. ;)

I'm currently drinking a 2006 Ladoix Clou d'Orge which cost around €30 (also a bit overpriced) and it's just about as good as the Corton-Charlemagne.

What's the Domain?

stimpy Oct 7, 2010 12:52 pm


Originally Posted by TimF1975 (Post 14904355)
What's the Domain?

Chateau de Beaune. And of course Chateau Pommard for the Ladoix.

slawecki Oct 7, 2010 1:22 pm


Originally Posted by stimpy (Post 14904326)
OK, I went to Bouchard Père et Fils today. It turns out they are just a producer who take some of the best grapes from lots of different areas in Burgundy. So Corton-Charlemagne seems to be what they consider the best of the best Chardonnay grapes. The best current year is 2007 here and that does indeed cost €80. But as Bouchard Père et Fils is the middle-man, you are significantly overpaying. That said, if you don't know which are the good wines to get around here, you can be assured of getting a decent wine from these folks. You just have to pay a bit more. They have a real nice showroom and give you a nice wooden box for your wine (yes I took one for the team and bought a bottle) and they speak perfect English as it is sure that their clients are not local. ;)

I'm currently drinking a 2006 Ladoix Clou d'Orge which cost around €30 (also a bit overpriced) and it's just about as good as the Corton-Charlemagne.

bouchard is still serving time, i think. he mixed acid and sugar, and sold it as corton charlemagne(for real). henriot(i think), owns it now. he has 130hectars in burgundy, which is a huge amount of vineyard. he makes everything from 2 buck chuck up to to montrachet.


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