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Originally Posted by Jazzop
(Post 14642247)
False.
It annoys me that the word "cork" is used to describe TCA (2,4,6-trichloroanisole) contamination of a wine. Cork is the most common vector for TCA to make its way into a wine, but many other implements used in the winemaking process--notably, wooden barrels--can be just as guilty. |
Originally Posted by number_6
(Post 14637400)
I've recently paid over USD 500 for a single bottle of wine, with screwcap; so it really exists in the high end, with some of the finest wines in the world.
I dont mean to put you on the spot, but would you mind sharing the details of your purchase...? If PM is better for you and you dont mind sharing the info, I would appreciate hearing the details. Muchas gracias, Gaucho100K |
Why not both? Remove the screwtop, uncork, and if unfinished, replace with the screwtop?
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US is very snobbish about wine, making marketing of screwcaps difficult; there are several Cabs > USD 100 bottled in California with screwcaps, however. The expensive wines with screwcaps are all from Australia and NZ from what I've seen, in fact everything except Grange is available in screwcap. My expensive bottle was Penfolds Bin 707 1990 (the first year that screwcap was done). Current release cost is about USD 150 and worth it. For current release wines the most expensive screwcap that I've seen is USD 200 and that is in the US (also sold out at the winery, there is no retail distribution). You guys in the wine business should be well versed about this, maybe I should be charging for consultation? In any case I have yet to encounter a screwcap wine that has suffered for it (and that includes no TCA, though of course it can happen).
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Originally Posted by Jazzop
(Post 14642247)
It annoys me that the word "cork" is used to describe TCA (2,4,6-trichloroanisole) contamination of a wine. Cork is the most common vector for TCA to make its way into a wine, but many other implements used in the winemaking process--notably, wooden barrels--can be just as guilty.
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Originally Posted by nerd
(Post 14646796)
It annoys me when math terms (vector is from math, if I'm correct?) are used to describe wine contamination. What do you mean by that?
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Originally Posted by jakuda
(Post 14646813)
vector is not only a math term. There are several definitions within biology and epidemiology, but simply put it's a method/source of passing a contaminant/pathogen from one body to another.
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Originally Posted by number_6
(Post 14646292)
The expensive wines with screwcaps are all from Australia and NZ from what I've seen, in fact everything except Grange is available in screwcap.
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Originally Posted by nerd
(Post 14646879)
So cork is a vector, meaning it's some kind of bug? (keeping it on topic here, right? :))
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As I mentioned earlier, I carry a portable corkscrew in my carry on bag, the kind where the corkscrew is in a tube and the tube removes and then goes through a hole in the top of the corkscrew to become the handle. The one downside is the occasional hard to remove cork, one of which rests in my hotel room right now. Couldn't get it out last night, no matter how hard I pulled. Tonight I'll take it downstairs to the hotel bar and see if they will open it for me...probably charge me a corkage fee... :o
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Apart from one mishap, the screwtop thing has worked well for me. Have just returned from France, where increasingly French wines that previously wouldn't have been seen dead under a screwtop now have one instead of cork. I predict that within five years cork will have disappeared from Europe, as it has in Australia, New Zealand, and now increasingly in South America. And screwtop is so much more convenient, as others have stated.
The mishap was one where the screwtop machine had obviously malfunctioned. The shank that clamps to the neck of the bottle had not clamped, and the entire assembly was thereby able to spin on the top of the bottle, resulting in leakage and a wine that had maderised. That's the secret, it seems to me: ensuring that the shank is securely clamped to the bottle neck as well as that the top of the cap is properly pressed against the top of the neck. |
Originally Posted by 1P
(Post 14649586)
I predict that within five years cork will have disappeared from Europe, as it has in Australia, New Zealand, and now increasingly in South America. And screwtop is so much more convenient, as others have stated.
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will the cost of a screwcap machine play any part in who does and who does not procure them?
i sort of think screaming eagle is screw cap. the 2001-2002 hill of grace were bottled with both. now, here is a chance to compare cork to aluminem on a better bottle of wine. i'll volunteer, if no one else will. |
Originally Posted by slawecki
(Post 14650124)
...the 2001-2002 hill of grace were bottled with both. ....
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Originally Posted by number_6
(Post 14620162)
Unless drinking really serious wine (such as Penfold >100 USD a bottle offerings), in which case screwcap is the only choice :) :) :)
Cork is a failed technology, with no benefit for aging wine and lots of potential for wrecking it. Took a century of research to understand how and why wine improves with age; now a screwcap closure is the superior alternative for those that care about wine quality. imho (well, not really so humble, I love wine too much). |
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