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luxury Jun 10, 2010 1:03 pm


Originally Posted by JumboJ (Post 14095405)
Actually I think I'm trending the other way. The whole pomp and process of "fine dining" seems progressively more silly to me as over and over again I find that my palate is much more stimulated by "down at the heels" ethnic food than most haute cuisine. Not that I won't take the lady out for the high end experience from time to time, but truth be told that experience is less about the food and more about the intangibles.. as my mouth alone would generally be more stimulated by some Indian or Thai, both of which are seldom particularly expensive or fancy. Also of these are cuisines that I'd not be able to prepare reasonably myself. I am however, perfectly adept at searing a scallop or grilling a steak. Generally I like very, very spicy food. I don't find much haute cuisine fitting this description.

I agree to a large extent. In my 20s I was all about the Michelin stars or this rating and that rating and I did my fair share of those kinds of places. Now in my 30s I find that I am tiring of the fussy pretentious places that are ridiculously expensive but lack the value proposition. I now prefer holes in the wall or simpler place which offer a nice ambiance, a reasonable if not inexpensive menu using quality ingredients in a simple way.

I still enjoy a fine dining meal from time to time but I also tailor my expectations to the quality, and price, point of the restaurant I am going to.

Gaucho100K Jun 11, 2010 7:44 am

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Originally Posted by lancebanyon
A short anecdote before I get to my point - when I was little my father took me to a work gathering at a nice restaurant where two of his coworkers spent much time griping about the food. When I asked him why he said, "because they travel all the time and they're used to eating in better places".

Now that I'm older I understand completely. My wife and I have been going to nicer restaurants recently and have found that when we have those great dining experiences it totally demotivates us from going even to some places we were okay at before. For example, the other night I had steak while out and all I could think of was how great that steak I had at Hawksmoor's was and how this one just paled incredibly in comparison.

Does this sort of thing happen to any of the rest of you?

Yes.... alas, its important to learn to manage expectations and keep the food critic hat at home when pertinent... this allows you to fully enjoy a wider range of eats... from street fare to the most formal 3 star establishments.

CMK10 Jun 11, 2010 4:35 pm

I grew up going to some very fine restaurants and when I spend time with my successful parents, I get to eat some great meals. However, I'm lucky that I am able to enjoy a very wide variety of foods. One of my favorite places to go is a local Mongolian BBQ place where you build your own stir fry.

Plus, I'm not a very good cook so what I make has to be simple, yet I love to prepare dinner at home, especially now that I live with my girlfriend. It's keeping me grounded.

JerryFF Jun 13, 2010 11:57 pm


Originally Posted by Jazzop (Post 14094595)
I have noticed that I have developed a very polarized approach to dining. If it's not haute cuisine, then it's $5 footlongs at Subway. There is no middle ground for me.

I've experienced something similar though not quite the same. I call it the mediocre $80 dinner for 2. There are several places in our area where we can get an excellent meal for 2 for $100-125. There are also quite a few places where we can get excellent ethnic food - Chinese, Japanese, Mexican, Thai - for about $50. But then there are a whole bunch of places that serve ordinary mediocre same-o same-o dinners for $80. I try to avoid that middle ground.

uk1 Jun 14, 2010 1:27 am

I think many people go "full circle" and end up becoming disenchanted about the lottery of eating out and learn to produce excellent food at home.

It also seems to me that the best food often seems to be the food provided to working people on the streets - as an earlier poster said - hawker food in Singapore being an example.

In my view if you are fortunate enough to buy in fine dining restaurants then spending cash on extraordinary ingredients prepeared with love and care at home is worth the learning of how to cook well.

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Originally Posted by uk1
I think many people go "full circle" and end up becoming disenchanted about the lottery of eating out and learn to produce excellent food at home.

It also seems to me that the best food often seems to be the food provided to working people on the streets - as an earlier poster said - hawker food in Singapore being an example.

In my view if you are fortunate enough to buy in fine dining restaurants then spending cash on extraordinary ingredients prepeared with love and care at home is worth the learning of how to cook well.

bravo!!!

troyb Jun 15, 2010 5:00 am

Not me.

I enjoy a lavish meal as much as the next guy, but after a bunch of them in a condensed time (work or vacation trips, especially), I cannot wait to get home and have something basic like a sandwich. In fact, the more "nice" meals I have, the more I want something simple.

phedre Jun 15, 2010 8:30 am

The big thing for me is quality, not price.

I love fine dining as much as the next foodie, but I also appreciate a well-done burger, or my mom's mac and cheese. Whatever you do, whatever your price point, do it well. Use quality ingredients and make it taste GOOD. I don't care if I'm at a 3 star Michelin restaurant having an elaborate tasting menu, or the neighbourhood dive bar having fries and a beer.

A perfect example: while in Edinburgh I treated myself to a fantastic tasting menu at the Number One restaurant at the Balmoral hotel. Was it fabulous? Oh god yes it was. A few days later I was in Kirkwall at a neighbourhood pub and in absolute raptures over their cheap but delicious and perfectly cooked burger made with local beef. Enjoying one shouldn't preclude you from loving the other!

SFflyer123 Jun 15, 2010 9:24 am

Not me
 
It may be because I love food. I have been to many Michelin star/fancy schmancy places in my lifetime. But I still love a great bowl of japanese noodles, indian curry & rice, a good burger, or a sausage & beer. In fact, I think some of the more "comfort foods" are better than some of the foods that take hours of labor to make. I was once eating at a Michelin 2-star restaurant, and I thought that a good chicken tikka masala and aromatic basmati rice would taste better than the restaurant's food. But the Michelin star-restaurant was definitely more interesting, more refined, and a better overall dining experience. I can go from both fancy to down-home, but I can appreciate both.

uk1 Jun 15, 2010 9:43 am

My wife has just reminded me that when I "lived" in 5 star hotels and ate rather well - every day - that I learned to make snacks on the bedside tea maker (frankfurters, peas and instant mash being a speciality) because I couldn't face the restauirant anymore and dressing up. And when I came home what seemed to hit the spot was a meat pie with gravy followed by an apple pie and custard.

Rather sadly, travel now is all about finding the cheapest and best street food - anywhere.

Swanhunter Jun 15, 2010 10:04 am


Originally Posted by uk1 (Post 14136160)
My wife has just reminded me that when I "lived" in 5 star hotels and ate rather well - every day - that I learned to make snacks on the bedside tea maker (frankfurters, peas and instant mash being a speciality) because I couldn't face the restauirant anymore and dressing up. And when I came home what seemed to hit the spot was a meat pie with gravy followed by an apple pie and custard.

Rather sadly, travel now is all about finding the cheapest and best street food - anywhere.


Very true. ^ I've reached that point too, very little interest in the bells and whistles of a 'fine dining' experience but I crave great food well cooked.

VivoPerLei Jun 15, 2010 10:08 am


Originally Posted by SFflyer123 (Post 14136024)
It may be because I love food. I have been to many Michelin star/fancy schmancy places in my lifetime. But I still love a great bowl of japanese noodles, indian curry & rice, a good burger, or a sausage & beer. In fact, I think some of the more "comfort foods" are better than some of the foods that take hours of labor to make. I was once eating at a Michelin 2-star restaurant, and I thought that a good chicken tikka masala and aromatic basmati rice would taste better than the restaurant's food. But the Michelin star-restaurant was definitely more interesting, more refined, and a better overall dining experience. I can go from both fancy to down-home, but I can appreciate both.

My wife is an excellent cook and we eat well at home also, but as another poster mentioned, often times you have to give your due to the professionals. One of our recent favorite dishes was Qabali Seviyan from Moti Mahal. The recipe is on the internet but I don't think we could possibly duplicate it, let alone find all the ingredients in our small town.

Jazzop Jun 15, 2010 9:30 pm


Originally Posted by phedre (Post 14135707)
... I also appreciate a well-done burger...

I sure hope you mean "well-prepared." Because if you are referring to the internal temperature of the beef, then you have lost all foodie cred! :cool:

CMoller Jun 17, 2010 5:07 pm


Originally Posted by falconea (Post 14093633)
We have a similar problem - we rarely eat out because I cook better food at home!

Audrey

I completely empathise with that quote. When I go to e.g. New York or Paris, I have a long "hit list" of places I want to eat at and always have some outstanding experiences. This also adds to the sense of occasion when on my travels.

However, I don't see the point of trying to go out for "cheap eats" in London as it's always atrocious/way too expensive for what you get. There are some good restaurants here, but you end up paying through the nose and I've still to find the reasonably priced neighbourhood restaurant where I can get a decent meal for little money. Most of the restaurants in London I've been to end up straddling the terrible middleground of being semi-expensive and serving bad food... That's why I tend to eat out at great places around the world, but I would find it difficult to suggest good restaurants in London and instead tend to scour the markets and cook myself.

jspira Jun 17, 2010 6:28 pm

This is one of those threads which keeps me coming back to FT.

I am surprised, however, that no one has brought up the fact that one has little control over salt content and other additives when dining out. I´m very careful about my use of salt and fat, for example - but many restaurants make up for a lack of technique and/or flavor by overusing such items. This is one of several reasons I truly enjoy dining and cooking at home.

Let me first state that I like to cook - and I cook a variety of Austrian and American-style dishes (nothing overly complicated or time-consuming however except on rare occasions).

Because I travel a lot (like all of us here) I do tend to try to find more unusual local restaurants at my various destinations. You would have to drag me kicking and screaming into a steak house chain (Mortons, Ruth Chris, etc.) . Instead, I try to find out what the local specialties are and where the locals go.

Just a few weeks ago, one of the better meals I had in Prague (Allegro was the best dining experience there) was in a low-end restaurant called Lokal. Not pretentious at all, not expensive either (dinner for 2 with appetizers, main courses, dessert, and Bier was ca. $30 plus gratuity) - but the food was made with passion.

Someone mentioned "passion" earlier in this thread and I think that is what seals the deal for me. Passion can be evidenced in very simple dishes as well as in more complex ones and the price tag doesn´t necessarily even begin to mean that there is true passion behind the dish being served.

At this point, the buzzer in the kitchen is ringing so I must attend to the stove and broiler I suppose. But I will continue to follow this thread with great interest.


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