DL to Expand at LGA, but Reduce at DCA
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I agree. I'm in the same boat. I'm not a fan of US Airways, especially the chaos that is their RJ operation here at DCA. But tough upgrades out of DCA are going to get tougher and options are going to decrease on Delta.
It will be interesting to see if they keep hourly service to ATL because if they do, more than half of their slots will be taken up with Shuttle flights to LGA and ATL flights. It will make it more difficult to connect.
I'm afraid it's time to start flying US Airways more.
It will be interesting to see if they keep hourly service to ATL because if they do, more than half of their slots will be taken up with Shuttle flights to LGA and ATL flights. It will make it more difficult to connect.
I'm afraid it's time to start flying US Airways more.
I agree that CVG is likely to be cut back even more. And ATL, too. I wouldn't be surprised to see the NY shuttles cut back, too.
89 to 55 is 30-ish percent of the DCA schedule. Really too bad.
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And interestingly, Airtran just announced a swap with CO, which will increase their service at DCA, presumably making use of the gates vacated by NW. Which also includes additional service to ATL. (Not clear if it means CO might clear another gate for DL)
Airtran is pretty good in my experience.
Airtran is pretty good in my experience.
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Interesting also that as part of this deal, DL is giving US some Brazil and Japan route authorities...
I bet that means more international US flying out of PHL.
I also wonder if the impending PHL gate/lounge swap is part of this deal.
I bet that means more international US flying out of PHL.
I also wonder if the impending PHL gate/lounge swap is part of this deal.
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This will prove very useful if the LGA and DCA perimeter rules are ever removed in the future. Who's up for a LAX-LGA nonstop?
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Anyone notice this gem from the release:
Edit: Oops! orlandodlplat beat me to it!
I think this is a big win for US. It certainly will help Delta as well, but US is getting some significant items in return: MAT, DCA on a platter, Brazil (read: GRU), and Japan (read: NRT).
I hope DL doesn't unintentionally create another serious international competitor. The real reason US hasn't been considered a viable player in either Brazil or Asia is because they are attempting to start markets that don't make sense to start in a region they have no presence (CLT-GIG & PHL-PEK). GRU/NRT will get them the recognition in those markets that they need.
Originally Posted by Delta
As part of the transaction, Delta also will exchange a limited number of international route authorities to US Airways for service to Brazil and Japan. These transfers will not result in any material schedule changes for Delta customers.
I think this is a big win for US. It certainly will help Delta as well, but US is getting some significant items in return: MAT, DCA on a platter, Brazil (read: GRU), and Japan (read: NRT).
I hope DL doesn't unintentionally create another serious international competitor. The real reason US hasn't been considered a viable player in either Brazil or Asia is because they are attempting to start markets that don't make sense to start in a region they have no presence (CLT-GIG & PHL-PEK). GRU/NRT will get them the recognition in those markets that they need.
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Any hopes of DL improving on its DoT ontime arrival/departure statistics are pretty much thrown out the window with this move...
DCA slots are like gold. I sure hope DL knows what it's doing by giving up those slots. I know they're trying to become the leader in NYC, but DCA >> IAD, and NW was always able to charge a premium for their DCA routes. Now that DL has traded them away, there goes that revenue.
And the Brazil/Japan trade should tell you just how badly (justifiably so or not) DL wanted those LGA slots. US may have just pulled off a hell of a deal...
DCA slots are like gold. I sure hope DL knows what it's doing by giving up those slots. I know they're trying to become the leader in NYC, but DCA >> IAD, and NW was always able to charge a premium for their DCA routes. Now that DL has traded them away, there goes that revenue.
And the Brazil/Japan trade should tell you just how badly (justifiably so or not) DL wanted those LGA slots. US may have just pulled off a hell of a deal...
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Purpose of the perimeter rule was to protect JFK to an extent as it was opening up. Note that the perimeter rule is waived on Saturdays - DL has flown LGA-SLC and LGA-LAX on Saturdays in the recent past, and they operate LGA-HDN (which is outside the perimeter) on Saturdays during the winter currently.
I'd guess CVG will see a lot of the cutbacks - the planes for 125 new flights have to come from somewhere, and with DL appearing intent on giving up slots for DCA-CVG, that speaks volumes to me. Plus that crown jewel of a building sitting a couple hundred miles north in Detroit helps as well.
Wouldn't be shocked to see some more mainline flying as well at LGA, especially on routes such as RDU (where DL and US each had 6x RJs a day) to consolidate a few slots to allow for other new service to LGA.
And what I'd think would be a great idea for Delta, for international connectivity, is to offer a "flight" on a coach bus from LGA to JFK - depart LGA's airside, arrive JFK's airside, baggage goes through as well. CO operates a bus "flight" on ABE-EWR that leaves from ABE's secure side and arrives at EWR's secure side - passengers check-in, drop off bags, clear TSA, etc. at ABE and then get off the bus in EWR just as one would get off an ERJ or 737.
That might be a good way to increase connectivity to international flights at JFK while also thinning down on the number of operations at JFK and reducing some of the clutter there.
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Edit: OOPS Mersk beat me to it!
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Hopefully, Delta will choose to use proper mainline aircraft on the LGA-SDF route. It's too long for a Cramped Regional Jet with no F cabin.
I did not fly DL to NYC when they had the CRJ-100 on this route.
I did not fly DL to NYC when they had the CRJ-100 on this route.
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And what I'd think would be a great idea for Delta, for international connectivity, is to offer a "flight" on a coach bus from LGA to JFK - depart LGA's airside, arrive JFK's airside, baggage goes through as well. CO operates a bus "flight" on ABE-EWR that leaves from ABE's secure side and arrives at EWR's secure side - passengers check-in, drop off bags, clear TSA, etc. at ABE and then get off the bus in EWR just as one would get off an ERJ or 737.
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Interesting move. DL and US were even at both airports, DL wanted to shift towards LGA and have US shift to DCA. On the DL news link, it says that they are making LGA a domestic hub. I don't get why LGA is being made a hub.
Wikipedia: Direct cities served from BOS (including NW)
Wikipedia: Direct cities served from LGA (including NW)
It will be interesting to see LGA as a hub...
Wikipedia: Direct cities served from BOS (including NW)
Delta Air Lines - Amsterdam, Detroit, Minneapolis/St. Paul, Atlanta, Bermuda, Cancún, Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky, New York-JFK, Orlando, Salt Lake City, Tampa, West Palm Beach, New York-LaGuardia
Delta Connection - Baltimore (ends August 17), Bangor (Ends December 1st), Charleston (SC) [seasonal], Charlottetown [seasonal], Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky, Columbus (OH), Halifax, Indianapolis, Myrtle Beach [seasonal], New York-JFK, Philadelphia [ends August 17], Raleigh/Durham, Tampa, Washington-Reagan, Detroit, Memphis, Indinapolis
Delta Connection - Baltimore (ends August 17), Bangor (Ends December 1st), Charleston (SC) [seasonal], Charlottetown [seasonal], Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky, Columbus (OH), Halifax, Indianapolis, Myrtle Beach [seasonal], New York-JFK, Philadelphia [ends August 17], Raleigh/Durham, Tampa, Washington-Reagan, Detroit, Memphis, Indinapolis
Delta Air Lines Atlanta, Boston, Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky, Hayden/Steamboat Springs [seasonal], Orlando, Tampa, West Palm Beach Bermuda, Detroit, Fort Lauderdale, Fort Myers, Memphis, Minneapolis/St. Paul, Nassau, New Orleans,
Delta Connection - Asheville (NC), Atlanta, Birmingham (AL), Charleston (SC), Chicago-Midway, Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky, Columbia (SC), Columbus (OH), Des Moines, Grand Rapids, Greenville/Spartanburg (SC), Indianapolis, Jacksonville (FL), Kansas City, Lexington, Madison, Myrtle Beach [seasonal], New Orleans, Omaha, Raleigh/Durham, Sarasota [seasonal], Savannah/Hilton Head Island, Traverse City [seasonal]
Delta Connection - Asheville (NC), Atlanta, Birmingham (AL), Charleston (SC), Chicago-Midway, Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky, Columbia (SC), Columbus (OH), Des Moines, Grand Rapids, Greenville/Spartanburg (SC), Indianapolis, Jacksonville (FL), Kansas City, Lexington, Madison, Myrtle Beach [seasonal], New Orleans, Omaha, Raleigh/Durham, Sarasota [seasonal], Savannah/Hilton Head Island, Traverse City [seasonal]
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The US announcement indicates an intention to fly NRT from PHX, and not PHL. Although the announcement also says they don't anticipate that service before 2012. Note all of the disclaimers at the end of the announcement.
http://www.usairways.com/awa/content...sreleases.aspx
Access to Sao Paulo and Tokyo
US Airways will also acquire from Delta the rights to operate daily service at two of the world’s most important business destinations – Sao Paulo, Brazil and Tokyo, Japan. These two cities will complement US Airways’ existing portfolio of more than 50 international destinations in more than 30 countries and territories across Europe, the Middle East, Latin America, North America, and the Caribbean.
Nocella elaborated on the carrier’s anticipated access to those markets, “Sao Paulo and Tokyo will bolster our international growth plans for South America and Asia, and this transaction provides a unique opportunity to expand into two prominent international business markets where US Airways would otherwise not be able to operate.”
With today’s transaction, US Airways has acquired the rights to serve Sao Paulo; and anticipates starting service to Sao Paulo in the second half of next year. The airline’s plan to begin daily Charlotte-Rio de Janeiro service this December remains unchanged. US Airways will be working with governmental authorities in both countries to assist it in securing additional authority to permit daily flights between Charlotte and both Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo.
The Tokyo service is tentatively scheduled to operate from US Airways’ Phoenix hub using Airbus 330-200 aircraft. It will require various government approvals and will be contingent upon economic conditions at the time. The airline does not anticipate starting Tokyo service until 2012 or later.
http://www.usairways.com/awa/content...sreleases.aspx
Access to Sao Paulo and Tokyo
US Airways will also acquire from Delta the rights to operate daily service at two of the world’s most important business destinations – Sao Paulo, Brazil and Tokyo, Japan. These two cities will complement US Airways’ existing portfolio of more than 50 international destinations in more than 30 countries and territories across Europe, the Middle East, Latin America, North America, and the Caribbean.
Nocella elaborated on the carrier’s anticipated access to those markets, “Sao Paulo and Tokyo will bolster our international growth plans for South America and Asia, and this transaction provides a unique opportunity to expand into two prominent international business markets where US Airways would otherwise not be able to operate.”
With today’s transaction, US Airways has acquired the rights to serve Sao Paulo; and anticipates starting service to Sao Paulo in the second half of next year. The airline’s plan to begin daily Charlotte-Rio de Janeiro service this December remains unchanged. US Airways will be working with governmental authorities in both countries to assist it in securing additional authority to permit daily flights between Charlotte and both Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo.
The Tokyo service is tentatively scheduled to operate from US Airways’ Phoenix hub using Airbus 330-200 aircraft. It will require various government approvals and will be contingent upon economic conditions at the time. The airline does not anticipate starting Tokyo service until 2012 or later.
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And what I'd think would be a great idea for Delta, for international connectivity, is to offer a "flight" on a coach bus from LGA to JFK - depart LGA's airside, arrive JFK's airside, baggage goes through as well.
That might be a good way to increase connectivity to international flights at JFK while also thinning down on the number of operations at JFK and reducing some of the clutter there.
That might be a good way to increase connectivity to international flights at JFK while also thinning down on the number of operations at JFK and reducing some of the clutter there.
US' press release says "The 15 new destinations US Airways will serve from DCA after this transaction include seven markets that currently have service to/from DCA today (Cincinnati, Ohio; Des Moines, Iowa; Grand Rapids, Mich.; Madison, Wis.; Montreal, Canada; Miami, Fla.; and Ottawa, Canada)."
So if we assume DL/NW drop CVG, DSM, GRR and MSN completely, I think that's about 16 slots.