UnofficialDLHelper

Not that too many care, but the Song uniforms are being created by Lion Apparel.

They created uniforms for jetBlue & ATA to name a few.

I cannot go into detail w/ colors etc, but ACS and IFS will have 3 color choices for shirts and one color choice for pants (no ties here).

As for SkyMiles....the ever-updating GRS now says:
"SkyMiles....Mileage Accurual Based on Economy Class

Note: Certain elite benefits do not apply...details TBA."

IMHO, I take that in meaning the same MQM formula will apply, and pre-boarding and upgs etc won't be avail. Again, that is my opinion, I have nothing in print yet to confirm- I will let you guys know when I do.

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DL Platinum

Curious, has DL finished any of the fleet for Song yet? More curous to see what the insiders think about the product and configuration. From what I read it will be a much better product than the mainline DL coach product.

Thoughts?

vetteset

It's going to be great! It will be fully completed by October. The first flight is JFK-PBI on 15 April. It will resemble the DL shuttle with all leather seats and tons of leg room, MP3 plyers, direct TV and the f/a's will wear bright colored uniforms. Right now it will be just a blak pair of trousers and a polo shirt. The crews hired are very excited and looking forward to something new.

777-232LR

They have... and yes the giant sperm is even MORE noticeable!

DL forced airliners.net to take the pics down from what I hear, and they still arent back up... though some of the members uploaded the pics into the chat forums, which I believe are still there.

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ConnFlyer

Wow, vetteset, I'm surprised to see you have such a positive view of Song (unless your whole post was just sarcasm). I would tend to figure that long-time DL employees (you've been with DL a while from what I gathered) would be none to excited about Song.

Hopefully all those working for Song will have a good attitude, otherwise regardless of costs, Song will not be able to compete with JBLU.




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vetteset

Believe it or not, I am very excited! A more laid back experience with very different work rules. The way we bid for our schedules is different and there is no sick time. They allocate a certain amount of days that you can use for personal time or for sick. If you do not use the time, it can be banked and put towards the next year. Holday pay is something new for Song, which we do not have on mainline. You can fly as little or as much as you want as lng as it equals 180 hours per 6 months. So you can drop everything on your schedule for 4 months but the last two months you have to fly 90 hours each. There are also no reserve lines. Everyone is a line holder and has 3 days of reserve plotted on their schedule. It is a fair system for everyone. Did I mention a 12.00 an hour pay cut for my seniority? I guess you have to take the good with the bad! Also, if you sign up for 5 years and break ties with Delta, you get a 25,000 bonus and the end....

Canarsie

A Delta employee recently speculated to me that Song will be domestic flights while Delta will be primarily international flights.

robnsfla

For vetteset : If I asked you for an extra snack mix would you give it to me ?

Some FA's will not.

bdschobel

Just 180 hours in 6 months? Is that a typo? It doesn't seem like very much flying. Don't pilots work 80 hours per month? Please explain.

Bruce

vetteset

I give Full can and as many snack mixes that you ask for...Yes, 180 hours is the minimum for 6 months. You can fly 80 hours or whatever you want. The low flying people will offset the people who want to fly as much as they want. I know some people who want to fly 100 hours and we can not do that on mainline. It is creating a real nice atmosphere to work in so we won't see the 12.00 an hour pay cut. I will take a paycut any day to have such relaxed work rules.

staylor9

You're not upset about a $12/hr pay cut?! I really have no idea how much you all make, but I would think $12 and hour would make quite a difference.

vetteset

I make around 48.00 an hour and no I'm not upset. It makes me a little agry that the flight attendants are the ONLY ones to take a pay cut for Song. Yep, no-one else! If I can work my schedule to being hassle free, like they are making it, noI don't mind about a pay cut. It also going to be straight flight hours. On mainline you get night pay, short staff pay, holding pay, delay pay, etc..on Song it's per-diem of 2.00 an hour (mainline it's 2.20) and staight flight pay based on your hours. Money is not that important to me, but quality of life is.

andymo99

Anyone else find it strange that they showed no uniforms on the website?

jimrpa

UDH, Thank you very much for the Song update! I'm anxious to see how it turns out!

As to the comment about SkyMiles, perhaps I'm a bit cynical, but I still am of the personal opinion that we will be earning SkyMiles, and NOT MQMs on Song. First, they've only talked about earning SkyMiles. Second, they made the comment about "certain elite benefits do not apply..." Third, offering Delta elite qualification status seems to be contrary to the market they're trying to go after (families to Disney, etc., as opposed to regular business travellers to Orlando). Of course, I'll probably never see a Song aircraft, being based out of PHL, but it's nice to see what Delta is trying to do, and I really do hope they are successful.

DL Platinum

I'm glad to see others excited about the prospect of Song. I look at it through eyes that see the inevitable of DL domestic being CRJ's and limited upgrades if it is DL equipment. Song's better coach product combined with a reasonable pricing structure will be much more palitable than DL mainline or the others!