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Old Dec 19, 2001 | 1:15 am
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Two accidents on Delta; 12/14 and 16

Source justplanes.com tells:

A Boeing 727-200 (N2829W) that had just taken off from Salt Lake City on Friday (14Dec) was for to declare an emergency and return to SLC after the crew heard a loud pop and felt a rush of air. The aft cargo heat fire alarm activated and there was smoke in the cockpit. After landing passengers were evacuated with minor damage to the aircraft.

Flight DL2160, a Boeing 737-300 bound for Atlanta, was pushing back from the gate on Sunday (16Dec) when the pilot declared an emergency due to smoke in the cockpit. Passengers were evacuated using the emergency slides. It was determined later that the smoke resulted from condensation in the air conditioning unit.
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Old Dec 19, 2001 | 2:14 am
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Neither of those are considered *accidents*. In fact, they would barely meet the test to be included as *incidents*. Honestly, that kinda stuff happens at least daily somewhere in the US, and is not particularly comment worthy.
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Old Dec 19, 2001 | 3:34 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by B747-437B:
Neither of those are considered *accidents*. In fact, they would barely meet the test to be included as *incidents*. Honestly, that kinda stuff happens at least daily somewhere in the US, and is not particularly comment worthy.</font>
Thank you B747! I was thinking the same thing.
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Old Dec 19, 2001 | 4:34 am
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Old Dec 19, 2001 | 5:02 am
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You're wright, of course this is an incident not an accident - I'm not a english native speaker so I didn't think too much about that.

I scan this justplanes.com site two times a week as it has normally much useful information on new routes and services. In yesterdays news issue those two incidents just popped into my eyes as it were two of them; normally there are about 5 reports for half a week and I've never seen two of them for the same airline. And using the slides to get out of the plane would have really worried me...
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Old Dec 19, 2001 | 6:15 am
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The second one sounds like pure stupidity on the part of the crew in the cockpit ...
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Beckles:
The second one sounds like pure stupidity on the part of the crew in the cockpit ...</font>
Yes, but we all feel safer now.
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Must be cool to get to use the slides!
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Old Dec 19, 2001 | 2:30 pm
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We got stuck trying to take off in SLC Friday night. DH and I were heading to KC for the weekend to visit family.

Had a pretty good snowstorm going and waited forever in line for takeoff after being de-iced. The captain came over and let us know the co-pilot was going to come out and check the wings as we had waited so long we may have to be de-iced AGAIN and get back in line. Thankfully, we didn't. But at the same time, he said there had been an "incident" on another runway and they were handling all takeoffs and landings from one.

We had seen a line of buses and police SUVs headed out across the tarmac earlier, so figured it was related. We were third back in line and it took about half an hour for us to get off the ground from that point. Ended up at MCI about 2 a.m. - ugh.

Good to know what the "incident" was. We never did find anything on the SLC news or online, so knew it wasn't anythin major. Figured it involved use of slides what with the buses. Thanks for the info!

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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by snake:
Must be cool to get to use the slides!</font>

actually, according to an FAA inspector I once sat next to, the slides are effective, but very dangerous. broken or dislocated limbs are common, especially on a bigger airplane. so are head wounds, because people stop and sit on the edge of the door, and push themselves out, like on a playground slide. the proper way to evacuate anairplane by slide is to jump out the door, with your arms crossed across your chest, but most people don't do that, apparently.
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According to Paul Simon on 'Graceland,' incidents and accidents are two very different things. I quote, "there incidents and accidents, and hints and allegations."

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Old Dec 21, 2001 | 12:00 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by NoStressHere:
Yes, but we all feel safer now.</font>
No I feel safer because I was groped at security
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Old Dec 24, 2001 | 11:24 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by duxfan:

actually, according to an FAA inspector I once sat next to, the slides are effective, but very dangerous. broken or dislocated limbs are common, especially on a bigger airplane. so are head wounds, because people stop and sit on the edge of the door, and push themselves out, like on a playground slide. the proper way to evacuate anairplane by slide is to jump out the door, with your arms crossed across your chest, but most people don't do that, apparently.
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I can attest to this personally. 1986 Pan Am 747 MIA-CCS. Smoke filling the cabin just minutes after take off and we returned to Miami immediately. The slides have the texture of a tongue, easily rip clothing and cause friction burns on bare skin. Also, with people pushing from behind many people ended up being pushed out going down head first. Even feet first if you are not in good physical shape you can break/strain all kinds of things as happened that day.
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