Now that I have a better grasp at the concept of the brakes and when you need to do what I think I have it figured out - I was only applying one side thinking steering was primary, but braking is, and since you are coming in straight if you hit them both equally and hard you shouldnt need to steer til you have her slowed down!!!! I want another shot at that sim!!!!! I can tackle the foot thing I know I can!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not to mention I want to try the taxi'ing thing we didnt do.

Truth be told I have no desire to fly passengers, but I do think I might look into taking flight lessons on a small plane and if I ever win the lottery I am getting me a sim!!!!!! I just need my fix regularly *grin*.

My big dream, some day somehow I do want to ride the jump seat on something, I want to see a real pilot do what we did!!!

I think that you have a good point.

It was difficult enough to attempt to instantly switch from using the yoke to steer the aircraft before landing to using the pedals after landing while braking the aircraft on an active runway and pulling the yoke back ever so slightly to keep the nose of the aircraft slightly upwards upon touchdown � all simultaneously.

Even though I did fairly well on my last �landing� in the Boeing 777-200 flight simulator, I would like to have the opportunity to attempt to perfect that � if I knew it would do any good in real life.

I can be such a perfectionist...

Yup, our landing announcements needed to be something along the line of "welcome to SFO, while we are happy to announce you made it alive, your connecting flights will be delayed indefinitely as we just took out all the signage and major infrastructure here at the airport" *smile*

Also Keith has me very curious to try the airbus now that he mentioned it is done with a joystick vs a yoke. I almost think the rudders would be easier in that as you wouldnt be so used to the sense of steering that you have with the yoke

I�ve been out of the sim business for 10+ years now so I�m not up to speed with the latest technologies. I do know there�s no longer the need for several million dollars worth of computer systems to drive them, but I�d be interested to hear about the new technologies that go into a modern Full Flight Sim.

And yes moving from CAE to Sunny Florida was a good move. No more driving home peering through a 1� hole in the windshield ice.

Flight Sims are not only used for training, but for R&D by the airplane manufacturers. I was lucky enough once to visit Airbus in Toulouse and got to fly the A340 �Iron Bird�. This is a simulator like any other (no motion base) that drives the real aircraft hardware spread out in a huge hanger. When you put the wheels up, you see the wheels going up in the hanger. It all works except the engines � they are simulated and I believe they use electric motors to drive the functions the engines normally supply (beyond thrust obviously).

*jumping around excited* and I know how you put the wheels up...how cool is that *blushing* sorry, couldnt resist

The new Airbus' use a joystick similar to an F16 fighter. It's looks like a gaming joystick. The Capt's is left handed and the F/O is right and to their respective sides. The Airbus is a fly by wire aircraft in which the pilot inputs to the joystick and the computer calculates demand and sends it to the control surfaces. Here is a link that explains fly by wire .

http://www.apollosoftware.com/produc...re_english.pdf

I would think this would be hard to move up to Capt from F/O and change control hands. As far as the rudder pedals, I think they are the same in form and function. There is still a tiller wheel for ground taxi.
It's great to have a CAE guy online. We use IBM F40's and F50's to drive our sims. We use IBM work stations to simulate our Flight Mode Computers for navigation. All are tied together through an old 10base2 network. The visual and work stations feed a standard ethernet hub to the IBM's. Our newer sims are 5 to 8 years old. We still have old Sel(Encore) 32/77 32/67. We also have some old Motorola 187's driving the Thales sims.
Keith

Sorry I have not posted in a while. I was at Boy Scout Sea Base in Fla with my son. Rudders are still used for lateral control. The joystick does pitch and roll like the yoke. Ground taxi is still with the tiller.
Keith

Any recommendations for those of us who want to do 15 minutes of touch and go landings? What runways are loaded in the simulator? I'm assuming DEN is loaded, which AFAIK has the longest US runway, but is BPX/ZUBD loaded? (2000ft longer). I want to make sure that if I am trying to do a touch and go in a 777 that I have plenty of runway

Opposite of ifette's question, what are the shortest runways avaiable where one can try to land a 777? Not that I would want to try any C-130 maneuvers . . .

knfenimore,

I take it that there is someone (or people?) elsewhere in the building simulating ATC, departure control, arrival control, ground control, etc.?

Are the pilots in the sim required to do the broadcasts to the passengers and flight attendants? (e.g. "Flight attendants, please prepare for departure," "ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking. We're now cruising at 31,000 feet.")

What kind of computer processors/systems run the sims?

- Pat

Pop into the W0X0F_2P2 thread and ask there. He's quick with a good answer.

I believe what you talk about is done, as it is a defined procedure, but since time is money in the sims, there's an abbreviation you say that indicates you've done the proper pa's. Again, ask W0X0F.

This is a list of models for 777-2. This is our latest visual display system. Class 1 models are exactly like the airport. Class 2 are close, but do not have to be exact. The lower list is for the other sims. We have 2 different kinds of visual systems and they have different airport models. You can look up the airports and find rwy lengths and choose the airport you want. You will need to specify the airport code and rwy. We do not have them memorized. Device - Visual Models Report
Device Visual IG System
777-2 EP-1000CT
ICAO IATA Airport Name Model Class
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BIKF KEF Keflavik International Airport 2
EGKK LGW London Gatwick 2
EGLL LHR London Heathrow 2
EINN SNN Shannon 2
FAJS JNB Johannesburg 2
GENR GEN Generic 3
KATL ATL Atlanta 1
KBOS BOS Boston 2
KCVG CVG Cincinnati 1
KEWR EWR Newark 2
KIAD IAD Washington Dulles 2
KJFK JFK Kennedy 2
KLAX LAX Los Angeles 2
KMCO MCO Orlando 2
KMEM MEM Memphis 1
KONT ONT Ontario 2
KPHL PHL Philadelphia 2
KSEA SEA Seattle 2
KSFO SFO San Francisco 2
KSLC SLC Salt Lake City 2
LFKC CLY Calvi Sainte-Catherine 2
OMDB DXB Dubai 2
PAFA FAI Fairbanks 2
PANC ANC Anchorage Ted Stevens International 2
PHNL HNL Honolulu, Oahu Hawaii 2
RJAA NRT Tokyo - Narita 2
RKSI ICN Incheon South Korea 2
SBGL GIG Rio de Janeiro 2
SKBO BOG Bogota 2
VABB BOM Mumbai (Chhatrapati Shivaji Intl) 2
VHHH HKG Hong Kong 2
VIDP DEL Delhi Indigra Gandhi Intl 2
ZBAA PEK Beijing 2
ZSPD PVG Shanghai Pudong Airport 2
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Class 1 Visual Models :
KATL ATL Atlanta 1
KCVG CVG Cincinnati 1
KMEM MEM Memphis 1
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* Visual Model Class:
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1 Custom Airport Model. FAA certified, QTG model.
2 Custom Airport Model.
3 Incomplete, Inaccurate, or Specific Purpose Models
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This is a list for the 767 simulators.

Device - Visual Models Report
Device Visual IG System
767-5 ESIG 3350
ICAO IATA Airport Name Model Class
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CYVR YVR Vancouver 2
CYYC YYC Calgary 2
EDDF FRA Frankfurt 2
EGCC MAN Manchester 2
EGKK LGW London Gatwick 2
EGLL LHR London Heathrow 2
EGNM LBA Leeds 2
EHAM AMS Amsterdam 2
EINN SNN Shannon 2
GENR GEN Generic 3
KABQ ABQ Albuquerque 2
KATL ATL Atlanta 1
KBHM BHM Birmingham 2
KBOS BOS Boston 2
KBWI BWI Baltimore 2
KCLT CLT Charlotte 2
KCVG CVG Cincinnati 1
KDAL DAL Dallas/Love 2
KDCA DCA Washington Reagan National 2
KDEN DEN Denver 2
KDFW DFW Dallas/Ft. Worth 2
KDTW DTW Detroit 2
KEGE EGE Eagle County 2
KEWR EWR Newark 2
KFLL FLL Fort Lauderdale 2
KHDN HDN Hayden 2
KIAD IAD Washington Dulles 2
KJAC JAC Jackson Hole 2
KJAX JAX Jacksonville 2
KJFK JFK Kennedy 2
KLAS LAS Las Vegas McCarran Intl 2
KLAX LAX Los Angeles 2
KLGA LGA La Guardia 2
KMCO MCO Orlando 2
KMDW MDW Midway - Chicago 2
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KMEM MEM Memphis 1
KMIA MIA Miami 2
KMSO MSO Missoula 2
KMSP MSP Minneapolis St Paul Intl 2
KONT ONT Ontario 2
KORD ORD Chicago O'Hare 2
KPDX PDX Portland 2
KPHL PHL Philadelphia 2
KPIT PIT Pittsburgh 2
KPSP PSP Palm Springs 2
KRNO RNO Reno 2
KSAN SAN San Diego 2
KSDF SDF Louisville 2
KSEA SEA Seattle 2
KSFO SFO San Francisco 2
KSLC SLC Salt Lake City 2
KSNA SNA Santa Ana 2
KTPA TPA Tampa 2
KTYS TYS Knoxville 2
LEBB BIO Bilbao 2
LFPG CDG Paris Charles De Gaulle 2
LFPO ORY Paris Orly 2
LSZH ZRH Zurich 2
LTBA IST Istanbul 2
MGGT GUA Guatemala City 2
MHTG TGU Tegucigalpa 2
MMMX MEX Mexico City (Juarez Arpt) 2
MROC SJO San Jose, Costa Rica 2
PHNL HNL Honolulu, Oahu Hawaii 2
PHOG OGG Kahului, Maui Hawaii 2
RJAA NRT Tokyo - Narita 2
RJTT HND Tokyo - Haneda 2
SBGL GIG Rio de Janeiro 2
SEGU UIO Quito 2
SKBO BOG Bogota 2
VHHH HKG Hong Kong 2
ZBAA PEK Beijing 2
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Class 1 Visual Models :
KATL ATL Atlanta 1
KCVG CVG Cincinnati 1
KMEM MEM Memphis 1
---------------------------------------------------------
* Visual Model Class:
------------------------------------------------------------------
1 Custom Airport Model. FAA certified, QTG model.
2 Custom Airport Model.
3 Incomplete, Inaccurate, or Specific Purpose Models
------------------------------------------------------------------
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According to the list posted above, no DL pilots have the opportunity to practice flying into/out of TLV.

Why do I suddenly feel uncomfortable?