NYC - departure issues today (June 24)
Jun 24, 2023, 5:32 pm
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NYC - departure issues today (June 24)
Sat on the tarmac for JFK-SEA for 3 hours or so, and the pilot decided to head back to the gate.
Heavy weather related ground delays apparently…although I see bright sun shining everywhere 🤷♂️
Heavy weather related ground delays apparently…although I see bright sun shining everywhere 🤷♂️
Jun 24, 2023, 5:47 pm
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Jun 24, 2023, 7:36 pm
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Jun 24, 2023, 7:50 pm
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While there are significant fines to airlines violating the 3 hour tarmac rule, no compensation is given to passengers. All of the fine is remitted to the government.
Jun 25, 2023, 5:31 am
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You make the situation sound like EC261 compensation but there’s nothing as consumer-friendly in the USA. I don’t think even the proposed compensation law is equivalent.
Jun 25, 2023, 7:18 am
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There were scattered T-storms throughout the Northeast yesterday (and today).
I myself sat on a JFK-LAX flight (once) that couldn't take off because there was severe weather just west of the Hudson, stretching from Buffalo down to Atlanta. Eventually we ended up flying north over Montreal, Detroit, Minneapolis and then towards LA...
Even under EU261 there'd be 0$...
I myself sat on a JFK-LAX flight (once) that couldn't take off because there was severe weather just west of the Hudson, stretching from Buffalo down to Atlanta. Eventually we ended up flying north over Montreal, Detroit, Minneapolis and then towards LA...
Even under EU261 there'd be 0$...
Last edited by cvision; Jun 25, 2023 at 8:19 am
Jun 25, 2023, 7:24 am
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Weather in NYC area has been unsettled for several days. Forecasts of rain/storm for a few days, but very little actual rainfall in NYC. Cells of storms all over the area though. Reminds me of summer in the South. Expect more delays this week
Jun 25, 2023, 9:29 am
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Folks need to be mindful that thunderstorms that are many miles away, even a hundred miles away, can have a severe ATC impact, especially in the Northeast corridor. There is almost no route flexibility into the NYC area airports. If a designated route is blocked by a boomer, there's no route deviations as any offset will overlap the designated routes being used by LGA or EWR.
Jun 26, 2023, 4:14 pm
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Folks need to be mindful that thunderstorms that are many miles away, even a hundred miles away, can have a severe ATC impact, especially in the Northeast corridor. There is almost no route flexibility into the NYC area airports. If a designated route is blocked by a boomer, there's no route deviations as any offset will overlap the designated routes being used by LGA or EWR.
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Jun 26, 2023, 10:01 pm
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That's right! Airlines are violating for 3 hour tarmac rules and fined from DOT. Don't break the rules! Follow the rules! Don't get into trouble!
Jun 27, 2023, 3:34 pm
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NYC/DC/BOS area airports continue to experience weather related delays...my SEA-JFK just got delayed by ~2 hours. At least, this time we are not sitting at the tarmac!
Jun 27, 2023, 7:33 pm
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It's going to be a long summer.
Jason Rabinowitz on Twitter: "They’re running out of places to stash airplanes at LGA https://t.co/VBbJ8ox8Q0" / Twitter
United's Kirby blaming the FAA for a lot of it. Says 150,000 customers were impacted over the weekend due to FAA staffing in NYC.
(1) David Shepardson on Twitter: ".@united CEO Scott Kirby to employees: “The @FAANews frankly failed us this weekend” https://t.co/aICDeED2oJ https://t.co/VeZo77kFkd" / Twitter
Jason Rabinowitz on Twitter: "They’re running out of places to stash airplanes at LGA https://t.co/VBbJ8ox8Q0" / Twitter
United's Kirby blaming the FAA for a lot of it. Says 150,000 customers were impacted over the weekend due to FAA staffing in NYC.
(1) David Shepardson on Twitter: ".@united CEO Scott Kirby to employees: “The @FAANews frankly failed us this weekend” https://t.co/aICDeED2oJ https://t.co/VeZo77kFkd" / Twitter