Upgrade deduction by pilots?
Mar 13, 2023, 6:14 am
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Upgrade deduction by pilots?
Anybody else confirm what I heard from a fellow pax whose son is a Delta pilot?
Word is that the new pilot's contract not only gets them a 30% raise but also puts them on the top of the upgrade list for FC.
(Did a search for 'pilot contract', but didn't see anything related or recent)
Word is that the new pilot's contract not only gets them a 30% raise but also puts them on the top of the upgrade list for FC.
(Did a search for 'pilot contract', but didn't see anything related or recent)
Mar 13, 2023, 9:43 am
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oh great just blindly posting completely unsubstatiated rumors, this seems like a thread that is going places
Mar 13, 2023, 9:44 am
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No idea, but given the aggressive implementation of FCM the last few years, if true the pilot(s) will just end up dying at #1 for 0 seats and I'll be #2. 
Mar 13, 2023, 9:57 am
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Anybody else confirm what I heard from a fellow pax whose son is a Delta pilot?
Word is that the new pilot's contract not only gets them a 30% raise but also puts them on the top of the upgrade list for FC.
(Did a search for 'pilot contract', but didn't see anything related or recent)
Word is that the new pilot's contract not only gets them a 30% raise but also puts them on the top of the upgrade list for FC.
(Did a search for 'pilot contract', but didn't see anything related or recent)
Mar 13, 2023, 10:53 am
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I'm betting there's nuances that are being missed (if true at all, which doubt). It might be something like they top all other DL employees flying standby non-rev (though i doubt DL would risk FA unionizing by pissing them off doing this). There's no way pilots will Trump paying passengers for F upgrades.
Mar 13, 2023, 11:11 am
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The OP makes sound like pilots flying for any reason will always get a F seat. I agree with WB post that this is 100% speculation at this point. I also think that myself, that if true there's nuance being missed.
Mar 13, 2023, 11:31 am
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Mar 13, 2023, 11:39 am
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Deadheading meaning moving a pilot from his official base to the place he needs to meet a flight he is flying. This has always required a CONFIRMED seat and for certain situations a first class one based on timing and distance.
Commuting and other non-rev travel, doesn't get you any priority at all over paying passengers. It moves you ahead of retirees and buddy passes and the like.
Commuting and other non-rev travel, doesn't get you any priority at all over paying passengers. It moves you ahead of retirees and buddy passes and the like.
Mar 13, 2023, 11:40 am
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As someone who knows a pilot that commutes. Deadheading is not commuting. He doesn’t deadhead practically at all he commutes every week.
not a lot of delta flights originate out of his beach destination
not a lot of delta flights originate out of his beach destination
Mar 13, 2023, 12:13 pm
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My airline's contract provides me with a seat in first class if deadheading to a location to then operate a flight that same day. I have had the occasional passenger complain to me that I "stole" their upgrade. 
Mar 13, 2023, 12:59 pm
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DL pilots got positive space commuting during the pandemic but lost it in this contract.
Mar 13, 2023, 1:27 pm
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It's any "online" assigned deadhead: Deadheading Pilots Will Have Upgrade Priority Over Elites
English language you use his/he by default. It doesn't mean that you're excluding females and non-M/F gender conforming.
Mar 13, 2023, 5:32 pm
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As an example, I'm based in ORD and was scheduled to fly a flight from SJU to IAD and then continue on to FLL. The SJU-IAD flight was upgauged from the 737, that I fly, to a 777 to accommodate increased cargo demand. They replaced our flying leg with a deadhead leg, on that 777, to position us for our next leg to FLL.
The summary of the new Delta pilot agreement noted a change in the first class deadhead provisions but it did not list any details.