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Old Jul 23, 2022 | 1:54 am
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Reverse open jaw giving errors

I thought I had a eureka moment for 2023, where I would take a one-way to europe and then book a series of round trips back to the US in order to save a substantial amount of money - but it appears impossible to do this. I thought maybe it was a Schengen/EU thing but I've tried multiple combinations and it keeps spitting out errors.

For example this fall I'm returning MUC-CDG-CVG in late September and then heading back CVG-JFK-ARN a few weeks later. These flights have seats available. I'm already on them, but I can't book MUC-CVG-ARN. Is this a citizenship issue or do they know what I'm trying to do and blocking it?
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Old Jul 23, 2022 | 2:04 am
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It's a fare combination restriction in DL (and other Skyteam member) fares and is found in the fare rules in the "Combinability" section of the rules. Open jaws ex-EU must originate and return to same country. Something like MUC-CVG-FRA would be permitted, but not your itin because MUC and ARN are in different countries. It's been discussed here a few times before.

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/33907303-post6.html

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Old Jul 23, 2022 | 2:06 am
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I believe I read something here on flyertalk about the "open jaw to different countries" being a problem, but I don't know how you'd find that thread.
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Old Jul 23, 2022 | 2:11 am
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Originally Posted by xliioper
It's a fare combination restriction in DL (and other Skyteam member) fares and is found in the fare rules. Open jaws ex-EU must originate and return to same country. Something like MUC-CVG-FRA would be permitted, but not your itin because MUC and ARN are in different countries. It's been discussed here a few times before.

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/33907303-post6.html
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This might still work but it would require some trains or short hops.
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Old Jul 23, 2022 | 11:37 am
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Star Alliance allows those kinds of open jaws but apparently not Skyteam.
This past May flew MCO-EWR-VIE and returned ARN-FRA-MCO, all on one ticket and it priced as a roundtrip/open jaw, not as two one-way fares.
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Old Jul 23, 2022 | 11:44 am
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Originally Posted by SUPERTRAVEL
Star Alliance allows those kinds of open jaws but apparently not Skyteam.
This past May flew MCO-EWR-VIE and returned ARN-FRA-MCO, all on one ticket and it priced as a roundtrip/open jaw, not as two one-way fares.
Thats a totally different scenario and would certainly be possible on Skyteam.
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Old Jul 23, 2022 | 12:14 pm
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HAM/BER and ARN connect by train and by plane, so lots of options making a MUC-CVG-HAM/BER scenario work for you. Or, if this works better, GOT/MMX-CVG-ARN.
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Old Jul 23, 2022 | 12:59 pm
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Originally Posted by SUPERTRAVEL
Star Alliance allows those kinds of open jaws but apparently not Skyteam.
This past May flew MCO-EWR-VIE and returned ARN-FRA-MCO, all on one ticket and it priced as a roundtrip/open jaw, not as two one-way fares.
Different situation. That's a US-origin booking and DL/Skyteam fares also allow open jaws from different countries on the EU end (Area 2) for US-origin fares just like the other alliances. Note that when you book a roundtrip/open-jaw ex-US, they apply US-origin fares in both directions and these can be completely different from fares for trips which originate in a different country/region.
UA/Star fares generally don't allow open jaw on the EU end for cheapest ex-EU fares unless it's within the same country (they have the same "one country" restriction for EU end in the Combinability section as DL ex-EU fares). But they have slightly higher priced ex-EU fares that allow open jaw in Area 2 region which can be combined on one ticket. There's no upfare path for DL/Skyteam ex-EU fares and you can only book as one-way tickets on separate fares if you want an open jaw in different countries on the EU end when starting your trip in the EU.
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Old Jul 23, 2022 | 11:17 pm
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This all makes a lot of sense now. I knew it was possible to do but it's because I originally looked a few months ago for MUC and FRA RTs since I go there most often and I sort of treat Germany in general as my basecamp when traveling to Europe. Starting this fall things just happen to be different and that's when I discovered it wasn't this easy to do.

You guys have given me some food for thought. Thank you.
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