Originally Posted by MCO Flyer
(Post 36168412)
For DL, the MAX-10 was going to be in a “premium” heavy configuration with only 2 more total seats compared to the standard -900ER. DL switching to the MAX-9 would put a dent in those plans without either sacrificing seats or the premium heavy layout. Hopefully DL rides it out with the MAX-10 because we don’t need another 739 2.0 doing more transcons (which is what the goal of the MAX order).
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Originally Posted by Mountain Explorer
(Post 36168420)
I believe DL strongly prefers the 10, and they are very well aware of the delay. I don't foresee them following UA on this
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Originally Posted by The Situation
(Post 36168528)
DL might not have a choice in the matter...I would not be surprised if Boeing winds up cancelling the 10 altogether. It's not just commercial aviation that might be impacted by this as there is an insane amount of political pressure on Boeing now and that can bleed into defense contracts. Cancelling the 10 as a symbolic gesture to "prioritize the safety" of the existing a/c they are building might be a wise move to keep politicians and those who sway defense contracts happy. If Boeing can force as many customers into the 9 as possible, that is a very big win for them and efficiency and getting their output back on track. If they lose a few contracts, its a small price to pay for not losing additional business and the ability to get back on track.
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Originally Posted by Mountain Explorer
(Post 36168546)
We've had this discussion already. I couldn't disagree more. Boeing cancelling the 10 would be admitting defeat and would show a fundamental lack of confidence in the Max as a whole. That's not how you repair a brand. I'm confident Boeing will get the 10 certified. I'm also confident you won't agree, so I'll leave it at that and agree to disagree
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Because at this point its not just Boeing that is on the hook... its the FAA and their certification process. If they give exceptions/waivers/whatever and something happens then whatever is left of their credibility is also totally shot, and people there are covering their assess and careers and political connections.
The MAX should've never been given all of those exceptions and waivers in the first place and thats been made abundantly clear with political contributions etc getting into the FAA process... now they're trying to look like they do the right thing be going 'by the book'. |
Originally Posted by rylan
(Post 36169976)
Because at this point its not just Boeing that is on the hook... its the FAA and their certification process. If they give exceptions/waivers/whatever and something happens then whatever is left of their credibility is also totally shot, and people there are covering their assess and careers and political connections.
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Originally Posted by Yellowjj
(Post 36170133)
It makes no logical sense.
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Originally Posted by MCO Flyer
(Post 36168630)
The same issue preventing the MAX-10 certification is holding up the MAX-7 as well (which have already had multiple units fully manufactured and waiting to be delivered to WN) so they definitely won’t cancel it. It seems like a joke/safety theatre as the same de-ice safety sensor that’s holding up certification isn’t equipped on the MAX -8 or -9 as those were given a waiver by the FAA to operate without it. What makes the -7 or -10 different from a safety standpoint that they can’t be given a waiver? If there’s no difference then why aren’t all MAX-8 and -9s grounded?
Originally Posted by Yellowjj
(Post 36170133)
That ship has sailed. So holding up two sub types of the same aircraft, makes zero sense when you've already given a waiver to other sub types. Either the sensor is needed on all or it isn't.
It makes no logical sense.
Originally Posted by rylan
(Post 36170619)
BINGO! Dealing with a government entity, the above fully applies :D
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