Originally Posted by jphripjah
(Post 33810426)
If you refuse to take your seat and the police have to drag you off the plane, can't you be charged with obstructing a flight crew or something?
Don't flight attendants have the power to move people out of ticketed seats to accommodate families or address security/safety issues or something? If the FA had dug in here and the passenger caused a major scene, couldn't the FA have defended her actions by saying "I didn't tell him to take 13B just because I'm lazy and it seemed like the easiest thing to do. I was accommodating woman with daughter and infant and there was a safety/health reason why I thought it was best to let them stay in 10C?" |
Originally Posted by sethb
(Post 33810499)
It's the airline's policy for them to know which seats passengers actually fly in. Also, when I request compensation for the downgrade, I'll need proof that I didn't get to sit in the seat originally assigned.
You can, if you wish, call the police to have me removed. I will place the seat thief in my seat under citizen's arrest and formally demand the assistance of the police in expediting that arrest. I guarantee that process will lead to a much longer delay than moving the seat thief out of my seat, and my report to Delta will ensure that the delay is credited to your refusal to remove the seat thief from my seat. Also, do you want 1's? Because this is how you get 1's on the flight survey. You likely have a civil case to sue DL, but no criminal case against the "thief". You don't own the seat, nor has DL leased you the seat. DL could file charges for trespassing if OP refuses to get off plane after being asked. (If they refused to move) If passenger moves back to C+ inflight then they could also possibly file theft of service charges. |
I have a feeling that the FA already decided that they didn't like OP before the whole seat poacher thing. Why? Looking at DL1943 on FlightAware, this flight has been operated by a 737-900ER for as long as the history on FlightAware shows. Row 10 on this aircraft has a closet on the DEF side. If there was no room for OP's bag, most FAs would offer to stow it in the closet, or take down one of their crew bags and stow it in the closet to make room for the passenger's bag.
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Originally Posted by ovacikar
(Post 33806961)
10C should have rather bluffed and asked to be offloaded from the flight. That would have sure delayed more.
Very sloppy work on the part of the cabin crew and demonstrates willingness to cut corners in order to get out faster. |
Originally Posted by HWGeeks
(Post 33806993)
He was a bit of a DYKWIA but at the same time he paid for 10C and the bins above row 10 do say exclusively for comfort +, which isn't enforced.
I felt bad for his seat more than him having to check his carry-on. |
Originally Posted by jphripjah
(Post 33810426)
If you refuse to take your seat and the police have to drag you off the plane, can't you be charged with obstructing a flight crew or something?
Originally Posted by jphripjah
(Post 33810426)
Don't flight attendants have the power to move people out of ticketed seats to accommodate families or address security/safety issues or something? If the FA had dug in here and the passenger caused a major scene, couldn't the FA have defended her actions by saying "I didn't tell him to take 13B just because I'm lazy and it seemed like the easiest thing to do. I was accommodating woman with daughter and infant and there was a safety/health reason why I thought it was best to let them stay in 10C?"
What safety/health reasons are you referring to in this scenario? Is there someone wrong with the ticketed seats where they are? |
All fair points about this being a poor showing by DL attendants. I am willing to assume the 10C pax has agreed to the swap so that they are not seen as the reason for the delay by other pax.
Given his (eventual?) cooperation that should've made their jobs easier, FAs should've at least tried to settle the matter with the inconvenienced pax there and then |
RE: Squatters
Ah, not a lawyer, but I'm assuming in the post Dao era, DL can't really force the squatters to move if they refuse? I mean, you can use force, right? Can't call the cops, right? Offer a bribe...er...compensation to return to their assigned seats? |
Originally Posted by jphripjah
(Post 33810426)
If you refuse to take your seat and the police have to drag you off the plane, can't you be charged with obstructing a flight crew or something?
Don't flight attendants have the power to move people out of ticketed seats to accommodate families or address security/safety issues or something? If the FA had dug in here and the passenger caused a major scene, couldn't the FA have defended her actions by saying "I didn't tell him to take 13B just because I'm lazy and it seemed like the easiest thing to do. I was accommodating woman with daughter and infant and there was a safety/health reason why I thought it was best to let them stay in 10C?" |
Originally Posted by Repooc17
(Post 33811073)
The pax had been assigned to 10C, but taken by someone else not supposed to be seated in 10C. How can someone be refusing to take their seat if their assigned seat had already been taken by someone else (improperly)? Stand up for your rights. If you have to be dragged off the flight, so be it. Call out the wrongs.
Not saying the seat squatters weren't wrong (they were). Not saying the FA wasn't wrong (the FA was wrong). Not saying I wouldn't be furious if this happened to me (I would be). But the reality is it's always so easy to be a "tough guy" on the internet where real world consequences don't apply. Regardless of the situation, how would most employers view you getting dragged off a plane and possibly arrested? And even if you got off the plane willingly (not by force) but chose to deplane over the seat and take another flight, if you were on a business trip and you missed the meeting or event you were going to and you told your employer "I chose to get off the plane rather than take the other seat based on principle," how would they react? In the real world, people don't get to make such decisions in a vacuum free of outside consequences and impacts. |
Originally Posted by 4004
(Post 33811192)
All fair points about this being a poor showing by DL attendants. I am willing to assume the 10C pax has agreed to the swap so that they are not seen as the reason for the delay by other pax.
Given his (eventual?) cooperation that should've made their jobs easier, FAs should've at least tried to settle the matter with the inconvenienced pax there and then |
Moved Seat
Why weren't the people moved after they were in the air? That would have resolved all the issues. I would have made a stink as well. Need to be reported to FAA. Staff was just plain wrong on this one.
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Originally Posted by brandsberg
(Post 33811378)
Why weren't the people moved after they were in the air? That would have resolved all the issues. I would have made a stink as well. Need to be reported to FAA. Staff was just plain wrong on this one.
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Originally Posted by Visconti
(Post 33811211)
RE: Squatters
Ah, not a lawyer, but I'm assuming in the post Dao era, DL can't really force the squatters to move if they refuse? I mean, you can use force, right? Can't call the cops, right? Offer a bribe...er...compensation to return to their assigned seats? |
Originally Posted by brandsberg
(Post 33811378)
Why weren't the people moved after they were in the air? That would have resolved all the issues. I would have made a stink as well. Need to be reported to FAA. Staff was just plain wrong on this one.
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