New BP Scanners to Enforce Zones?

Old Jan 20, 20, 2:47 pm
  #1  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Programs: Marriott PP, DL DM
Posts: 80
New BP Scanners to Enforce Zones?

Just had an interesting boarding experience at CHS. There were new scanners installed where your BP stays face up, instead of facing down on the glass. Now that may not seem revolutionary, but at least two people in front of me during PREM boarding were asked if they were in first class after they put their phones under the scanner and it didn't beep. They were not, and were asked to leave the line and board with their zone. Maybe it was coincidence, but it seems like maybe they are getting serious about people boarding in their proper zone.

Anyone seen these scanners at other airports and seen similar results?
Spiff, duluthDL, ryandc99 and 7 others like this.
MotelRomeo is offline  
Old Jan 20, 20, 3:10 pm
  #2  
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: miami, florida
Posts: 1,340
Originally Posted by MotelRomeo View Post
Just had an interesting boarding experience at CHS. There were new scanners installed where your BP stays face up, instead of facing down on the glass. Now that may not seem revolutionary, but at least two people in front of me during PREM boarding were asked if they were in first class after they put their phones under the scanner and it didn't beep. They were not, and were asked to leave the line and board with their zone. Maybe it was coincidence, but it seems like maybe they are getting serious about people boarding in their proper zone.

Anyone seen these scanners at other airports and seen similar results?
What happens if I am legitimately PREM and board with my young family who are all on separate PNRs in Main Cabin 3 or BE?
ryandc99 likes this.
sydneyracquelle is offline  
Old Jan 20, 20, 3:19 pm
  #3  
Marriott 5+ Badge
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Brooklyn
Programs: DL Diamond; SPG Platinum; sometimes other things too
Posts: 3,737
Originally Posted by sydneyracquelle View Post
What happens if I am legitimately PREM and board with my young family who are all on separate PNRs in Main Cabin 3 or BE?
I imagine they do the right thing and help...

UA has had this system for a while. It makes a loud unpleasant buzzer sound if you try to board early, for extra shaming. Though I imagine it wouldn't necessarily require installing new scanners to program the system to do this.
Spiff, Often1, GeminisTwin and 3 others like this.
bgriff is offline  
Old Jan 20, 20, 3:32 pm
  #4  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Hilton Contributor Badge
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: San Antonio
Programs: DL DM, Former AA EXP now AY Plat, NW Plat, Former CO Gold, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 17,622
I posted in another thread. If this happens the system should automatically move you to middle seat, row in front of emergency exit/last row (no recline). You then have to wait till last to board.
flyerCO is offline  
Old Jan 20, 20, 3:40 pm
  #5  
 
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: Hartford, CT
Programs: Delta PM
Posts: 66
Originally Posted by flyerCO View Post
I posted in another thread. If this happens the system should automatically move you to middle seat, row in front of emergency exit/last row (no recline). You then have to wait till last to board.
I think just turning people away to the back of the line is sufficient enough punishment that, if universally enforced, will lead to an end of this problem.
BradleyFlyer is offline  
Old Jan 20, 20, 3:45 pm
  #6  
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: MEL
Programs: VA-PLT, DL-GM, QF-GLD, UA-ex1K, AA-exPLT, HH-DM, IHG-PLT, MR-GLD
Posts: 7,719
Originally Posted by BradleyFlyer View Post
I think just turning people away to the back of the line is sufficient enough punishment that, if universally enforced, will lead to an end of this problem.
Unfortunately I don't think the shaming stops some people. Although consistently sending them back might make them realize that it isn't worth trying.

I say this because I was just at LAX yesterday, and the GA was very vigilant. After I boarded a couple guys were loudly making fun of him when they entered the aircraft 'we aren't boarding your group yet SIR' and basically saying it's always worth a try and they get away with it other times. So they were proudly boasting about trying to cheat the system, not shamed at all.
CPMaverick is offline  
Old Jan 20, 20, 3:50 pm
  #7  
 
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: Hartford, CT
Programs: Delta PM
Posts: 66
Originally Posted by CPMaverick View Post
Unfortunately I don't think the shaming stops some people. Although consistently sending them back might make them realize that it isn't worth trying.

I say this because I was just at LAX yesterday, and the GA was very vigilant. After I boarded a couple guys were loudly making fun of him when they entered the aircraft 'we aren't boarding your group yet SIR' and basically saying it's always worth a try and they get away with it other times. So they were proudly boasting about trying to cheat the system, not shamed at all.
I entirely agree that the current process is completely broken. I actually file a complaint to Delta every time I see it happen (basically every flight) that United's system works better. If the zones are consistently enforced and people have to go to the back, or maybe their zone is automatically downgraded to BE, over time it will resolve the issue without completely ticking off paying passengers in low boarding zones.
BradleyFlyer is offline  
Old Jan 20, 20, 4:00 pm
  #8  
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: ATL
Programs: DL PM 1 Mil Miler, HZ PC, Marriott LT PM AMB,
Posts: 310
All they have to do is board with the "need additional time people" as Delta won't ruffle those feathers. Just today I saw 3 women board when it was called, all appearing to perfectly healthy.
noahnoahsmith likes this.
estedman is offline  
Old Jan 20, 20, 4:02 pm
  #9  
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: DCA
Programs: UA US CO AA DL FL
Posts: 45,269
So long as it is enforced fairly uniformly, over time it will work. Even Pavlov's dog learned.
Often1 is offline  
Old Jan 20, 20, 4:03 pm
  #10  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: NYC
Posts: 23,997
Originally Posted by flyerCO View Post
I posted in another thread. If this happens the system should automatically move you to middle seat, row in front of emergency exit/last row (no recline). You then have to wait till last to board.
Id prefer a trap door opens and they can fly with the cargo.
ijgordon is offline  
Old Jan 20, 20, 4:31 pm
  #11  
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Midwest
Programs: DL
Posts: 285
Originally Posted by estedman View Post
All they have to do is board with the "need additional time people" as Delta won't ruffle those feathers. Just today I saw 3 women board when it was called, all appearing to perfectly healthy.
I'm tempted to have this same mindset when I see people going up early, but pain and disabilities are complicated enough that it's impossible to judge on the surface. Someone with severe back or joint pain, for example, might not be hunched over and limping while still needing to stand as little as possible. I guess a note from the doctor requesting pre-boarding might be a step to filtering, but I doubt a one-look by the gate agent would be fair enough to distinguish proper disabilities from early-board abusers, especially if the cost of a false negative is high from social or legal fallout.
paul21 is offline  
Old Jan 20, 20, 4:32 pm
  #12  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: IND
Programs: DL DM & 2MM, Lifetime HHonors Diamond, Cholula General Member
Posts: 20,199
Originally Posted by BradleyFlyer View Post
I think just turning people away to the back of the line is sufficient enough punishment that, if universally enforced, will lead to an end of this problem.
So you really think people flying once or less a year will get it by universal enforcement?
JournoFlyer likes this.
indufan is offline  
Old Jan 20, 20, 4:36 pm
  #13  
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Toronto, Canada
Programs: Delta PM, Marriott Titanium, Hilton Gold, National EE, Hyatt Explorist
Posts: 711
I prefer the ones in Europe (or at least CDG) where if the gate doesn't open if you don't have the correct BP.
duluthDL and ExArkie like this.
GateGuardian is offline  
Old Jan 20, 20, 5:15 pm
  #14  
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Programs: AA EXP, Marriott Bonvoy titanium
Posts: 443
As bad as delta boarding might seem aa is 100 times worse with their 8 different boarding zones and everyone acting like gate lice for zone 1. The aa agents never turn people away

it would always annoy me when 20 people board zone 1 (first class) on a plane with 8 f seats.
cmd320 and noahnoahsmith like this.
Nuhusky is offline  
Old Jan 20, 20, 5:39 pm
  #15  
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: miami, florida
Posts: 1,340
Originally Posted by Nuhusky View Post
As bad as delta boarding might seem aa is 100 times worse with their 8 different boarding zones and everyone acting like gate lice for zone 1. The aa agents never turn people away

it would always annoy me when 20 people board zone 1 (first class) on a plane with 8 f seats.
12 could be DM sitting in C+.
bgriff and jamesteroh like this.
sydneyracquelle is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Search Engine: