F seats available - but not for sale?
Oct 16, 2019, 8:18 am
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think your point of contention was whether the inventory would still be available for F/J purchases, and, while I agree it would seemingly make more sense to ensure both premium cabin and coach seats remain available for purchase, I said I've seen plenty of instances on those airlines where that has not been the case... in other words, they zero out F/J and rely on the prospect of the Y inventory being purchased.
Oct 23, 2019, 12:19 am
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Hi,
Just curious - my question is more on Delta One Int'l service.
I noticed for my flight in a few days time, Premium Select inventory is all gone, but D1 still have 4 seats in the inventory. However these D1 seats are not open for sale - on DL website, both PS and D1 are reported as sold out.
However when checking for award seats, those 4 seats do come up as available.....so what's the deal here? Can I expect, if the situation stays the same to maybe have a chance of Op-Up from PS - small chance in my case as I am Plat with FB, although on a full fare PS ticket.
Cheers!
Just curious - my question is more on Delta One Int'l service.
I noticed for my flight in a few days time, Premium Select inventory is all gone, but D1 still have 4 seats in the inventory. However these D1 seats are not open for sale - on DL website, both PS and D1 are reported as sold out.
However when checking for award seats, those 4 seats do come up as available.....so what's the deal here? Can I expect, if the situation stays the same to maybe have a chance of Op-Up from PS - small chance in my case as I am Plat with FB, although on a full fare PS ticket.
Cheers!
Oct 23, 2019, 8:49 am
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Hi,
Just curious - my question is more on Delta One Int'l service.
I noticed for my flight in a few days time, Premium Select inventory is all gone, but D1 still have 4 seats in the inventory. However these D1 seats are not open for sale - on DL website, both PS and D1 are reported as sold out.
However when checking for award seats, those 4 seats do come up as available.....so what's the deal here? Can I expect, if the situation stays the same to maybe have a chance of Op-Up from PS - small chance in my case as I am Plat with FB, although on a full fare PS ticket.
Cheers!
Just curious - my question is more on Delta One Int'l service.
I noticed for my flight in a few days time, Premium Select inventory is all gone, but D1 still have 4 seats in the inventory. However these D1 seats are not open for sale - on DL website, both PS and D1 are reported as sold out.
However when checking for award seats, those 4 seats do come up as available.....so what's the deal here? Can I expect, if the situation stays the same to maybe have a chance of Op-Up from PS - small chance in my case as I am Plat with FB, although on a full fare PS ticket.
Cheers!
Normally, 4 unsold business class seats on the seat map but a sold-out PE/Y, could mean that they are holding those seats for op-ups. However, (1) empty seats on the seat map don't correspond well to actual unsold seats, and (2) if it was the scenario described above, they're probably better off selling a last-minute business class fare and bumping someone in a lower cabin than doing the op-up, so usually they'll still allow the sale of business class (for cash).
What is the date/flight? Someone can try to look up actual availability on ExpertFlyer.
Oct 23, 2019, 9:08 am
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Indeed, I find the whole situation very odd. The flight in concern is DL119 CDG-LAX for 27 Oct.
On the DL website - both PS and D1 are stating Sold Out. What I can see is J3 C1 - availability (and PS all zeroed out). Even on the AF codeshare number, no J nor PS seats are available for sale.
Reward flights are still available - albeit for a ridiculous number of miles and surcharges.
Cheers!
On the DL website - both PS and D1 are stating Sold Out. What I can see is J3 C1 - availability (and PS all zeroed out). Even on the AF codeshare number, no J nor PS seats are available for sale.
Reward flights are still available - albeit for a ridiculous number of miles and surcharges.
Cheers!
Oct 23, 2019, 9:28 am
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It's a point of sale issue. With a US POS, inventory is J3 C1 D0. With a French POS, inventory is J0.
Manually forcing the point of sale on ITA will price DL119 as a one-way, and you can book it on dl.com as part of a trip originating in the US (I'm relatively new to DL so I'm guessing the website uses your origin country as a default POS).
Manually forcing the point of sale on ITA will price DL119 as a one-way, and you can book it on dl.com as part of a trip originating in the US (I'm relatively new to DL so I'm guessing the website uses your origin country as a default POS).
Oct 23, 2019, 11:25 am
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Indeed, I find the whole situation very odd. The flight in concern is DL119 CDG-LAX for 27 Oct.
On the DL website - both PS and D1 are stating Sold Out. What I can see is J3 C1 - availability (and PS all zeroed out). Even on the AF codeshare number, no J nor PS seats are available for sale.
Reward flights are still available - albeit for a ridiculous number of miles and surcharges.
Cheers!
On the DL website - both PS and D1 are stating Sold Out. What I can see is J3 C1 - availability (and PS all zeroed out). Even on the AF codeshare number, no J nor PS seats are available for sale.
Reward flights are still available - albeit for a ridiculous number of miles and surcharges.
Cheers!
There could be seats blocked for crew rest on this route. Also, I'm not sure whether DL blocks two PS seats for special needs passengers like they do in C+ (for aircraft with C+ seats).
Oct 23, 2019, 12:16 pm
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I saw an interesting situation this past Saturday.
DL493 JFK-SDQ. Expertflyer was showing J3, seatmap had 2 empty seats, gate agent said only 1 seat available, gate displays showed 2 seats available. Eventually 2 upgrades cleared and even though the seatmap was full, EF showed J1 and delta.com was selling 1 seat. Fast forward to boarding, all 20 seats occupied, EF still showing J1 and Delta was still selling a seat. What would happen if someone had purchased that seat?
DL493 JFK-SDQ. Expertflyer was showing J3, seatmap had 2 empty seats, gate agent said only 1 seat available, gate displays showed 2 seats available. Eventually 2 upgrades cleared and even though the seatmap was full, EF showed J1 and delta.com was selling 1 seat. Fast forward to boarding, all 20 seats occupied, EF still showing J1 and Delta was still selling a seat. What would happen if someone had purchased that seat?
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Oct 23, 2019, 12:39 pm
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It's a point of sale issue. With a US POS, inventory is J3 C1 D0. With a French POS, inventory is J0.
Manually forcing the point of sale on ITA will price DL119 as a one-way, and you can book it on dl.com as part of a trip originating in the US (I'm relatively new to DL so I'm guessing the website uses your origin country as a default POS).
Manually forcing the point of sale on ITA will price DL119 as a one-way, and you can book it on dl.com as part of a trip originating in the US (I'm relatively new to DL so I'm guessing the website uses your origin country as a default POS).
I am able to price LAX-CDG-LAX with a return on DL119 on the 27th (at the bargain price of $14k r/t).
I do see that while you can't book DL119 for cash originating in CDG, I guess award redemptions aren't subject to POS restrictions? That's available as an award for 230k miles + ~$300. Which *is* a relative bargain compared to the cash price on a r/t! (Similarly, I can price LAX-CDG-LAX at 640k miles + $127, which is actually a great redemption value of 2.2c/mile!
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Oct 23, 2019, 1:09 pm
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Oct 23, 2019, 7:46 pm
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I don't think you can change POS for DL searches on EF, are you able to? The POS box disappears when I put DL in the airline field. I assume related to whatever special workaround they have for accessing DL information in the first place.
Feb 22, 2021, 7:28 am
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Follow up question to this thread. I'm on a flight Saturday that shows 2 available FC seats on the upgrade/standby list, which seams to correspond to the 4 available seats shown on the seat map (via dummy booking since my seat map shows all seats blocked). When I called Delta to ask for a price to upgrade for me and my companion, I was told there is only 1 available FC seat left. Anyone know why the other seat would not show up as available for purchase?
Feb 22, 2021, 8:56 am
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What shows available on the seat map does not reflect what is actually available for sale. Could be that someone did not get a seat assignment yet. Also, if you are traveling alone, the seat next to you is automatically blocked. Delta used to count each person in first as two passengers due to the seat next to them being blocked. Now, a couple traveling together counts as one person for seat blocking reasons. I have been number 1 for 0 seats for upgrade when I arrive at the airport and suddenly 4 people will get upgraded once Delta determines couples traveling together.
Feb 22, 2021, 11:35 am
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What shows available on the seat map does not reflect what is actually available for sale. Could be that someone did not get a seat assignment yet. Also, if you are traveling alone, the seat next to you is automatically blocked. Delta used to count each person in first as two passengers due to the seat next to them being blocked. Now, a couple traveling together counts as one person for seat blocking reasons. I have been number 1 for 0 seats for upgrade when I arrive at the airport and suddenly 4 people will get upgraded once Delta determines couples traveling together.