Still too many dogs on flights

Old Apr 22, 19, 9:42 pm
  #1  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Programs: Delta SkyMiles
Posts: 2
Still too many dogs on flights

At the risk of being roasted here, I think there are still way too many dogs on flights. These are not ‘Service Dogs’, they are mostly lap dogs people bring along because they don’t want to leave them at home. (For the record, I love dogs and two of my own.)

Thoughts?
MichaelSTL is offline  
Old Apr 22, 19, 9:47 pm
  #2  
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Programs: DL GM, Bonvoy Gold
Posts: 8,023
Originally Posted by MichaelSTL View Post
At the risk of being roasted here, I think there are still way too many dogs on flights. These are not ‘Service Dogs’, they are mostly lap dogs people bring along because they don’t want to leave them at home. (For the record, I love dogs and two of my own.)

Thoughts?

My thought is that despite the nonstop complaining about this on FlyerTalk, I have never, in all my years of flying, --not once--seen an actual problem caused by an animal on board a flight. I know there have been some headline makers. But really, I think it's mostly nosy people who get grumpy and make judgements about things that are actually just not a problem.
jdrtravel is offline  
Old Apr 22, 19, 9:52 pm
  #3  
Marriott Contributor Badge
 
Join Date: May 1999
Location: CVG, DAY, CMH
Programs: DL DM 3MM, HH Diamond, Marriott Plat Elite
Posts: 1,374
Yes, you will most likely be flamed... I too, am a dog lover, but not on planes. I have no issue with true service animals, but have great issues with any other animal in the cabin. I have family and friends who are allergic to dogs and cats, and yet there is no accomodation to them. Declare a peanut allergy and the plane is deep cleaned. I would prefer that airlines simply say, animals ride as cargo. If you don't like / want that, then use a a local kennel.
DL Platinum is offline  
Old Apr 22, 19, 9:53 pm
  #4  
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Programs: DL GM, Bonvoy Gold
Posts: 8,023
Originally Posted by DL Platinum View Post
Declare a peanut allergy and the plane is deep cleaned..
This is not true, or even close to being true.
jinglish, indufan, cre95 and 4 others like this.
jdrtravel is offline  
Old Apr 22, 19, 9:57 pm
  #5  
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Seattle, WA
Programs: DL Diamond 1MM, UX Suma Gold, Marriott Bonvoy™️ Gold, Hilton Gold, Avis Preferred, Hertz PC
Posts: 3,527
Originally Posted by jdrtravel View Post
My thought is that despite the nonstop complaining about this on FlyerTalk, I have never, in all my years of flying, --not once--seen an actual problem caused by an animal on board a flight. I know there have been some headline makers. But really, I think it's mostly nosy people who get grumpy and make judgements about things that are actually just not a problem.
Animals onboard are, and continue to be, real problems in many cases. My most recent example was a very, very large dog licking my arm and barking loudly from the seat directly behind me on a tiny AA regional jet last Christmas. It had to exceed whatever size restrictions AA has in place, and it was so large it spilled into the aisle impeding emergency egress. The F/As were too afraid to intervene in the situation and I ended up forced to relocate to a different row with less legroom to escape the situation.

As someone who was attacked by a dog as a child and who still bears scars from the experience, I have a deeply ingrained fear of dogs, and being seated near one that is unrestrained on a flight is a really traumatic experience. If emotional support animals are permitted onboard without proper restraints, there needs to equally be a process for registering a medical need for an emotional support not-animal, IMHO.
BenA is offline  
Old Apr 23, 19, 2:28 am
  #6  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: JFK BOS LAX
Programs: DL Diamond; VS Gold; Uber Diamond
Posts: 199


Here’s a real gem from a recent trip
Originally Posted by DL Platinum View Post

Declare a peanut allergy and the plane is deep cleaned.

uhh, no. Maybe on a private jet, but not in commercial aviation.

at BEST you’ll get a flight crew that decides not to serve peanuts — basically modifying the service to 75-300+ people just to cater to your needs.


as for the dogs, there are way too many. Haven’t seen any puppies lately, though.

here’s a real gem from a recent flight:
Elaine Hankins likes this.

Last edited by CatchFlightsNotFeelings; Apr 23, 19 at 2:36 am
CatchFlightsNotFeelings is offline  
Old Apr 23, 19, 6:25 am
  #7  
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Washington, DC
Programs: DL Diam 2MM (2.3), HH Gold, PC Gold, Hyatt Plat
Posts: 5,143
Originally Posted by jdrtravel View Post
I have never, in all my years of flying, --not once--seen an actual problem caused by an animal on board a flight.
A 70 lb black lab spreading into my foot space was a problem for me flying DCA-MSP.
Only once in 2 MM on DL/NW.
Elaine Hankins likes this.
mot29 is offline  
Old Apr 23, 19, 6:29 am
  #8  
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Programs: AA, FB, UA
Posts: 88
I fly with my dog sometimes and she's never caused a problem for anyone. Even when not flying with a dog, I find it terribly charming when other passengers bring them and large ones hanging out are the most amusing of all. As for forcing dogs into the hold, mine would freak out--not doing it.
neflyer13 is offline  
Old Apr 23, 19, 6:43 am
  #9  
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Programs: HHonors Diamond, Delta Plat, National Executive
Posts: 162
I too have noticed more dogs, only a few times have I had a concern, once when there was a large dog in first class, who decided to lay in the aisle and the flight attendant had to work around him. But by far the worst was a lady with a medium sized dog sitting in an aisle seat in Comfort Plus on a flight from ATL to SJU. The dog relieved itself in the seat and all over the aisle which was beside the bathroom. It was an awful smell and all the flight attendants except for one couldn't handle the smell. The one FA worked very had try to clean up the disaster. At the end of the flight I gave her one of my recognition coupons since she was so professional and did the best from an awful situation.
JayRich is offline  
Old Apr 23, 19, 6:47 am
  #10  
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 188
Here’s a novel idea... leave your dog at home with a friend or family member. It’s what’s best for everyone, including your dog.

Unless you are moving, you don’t need to take your pet with you.
Newman55 is offline  
Old Apr 23, 19, 6:59 am
  #11  
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Scotland
Programs: BA Gold
Posts: 388
Glad they are not allowed on UK flights, don't think they are in Europe either
anniegray is offline  
Old Apr 23, 19, 7:29 am
  #12  
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Posts: 12
Babies and dogs
Old Hickory and 03ace like this.
Alp GK is offline  
Old Apr 23, 19, 8:23 am
  #13  
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 143
There is too much uncommon ground to come to a compromise. For a lot of people Its hard to respect anyones sense of "common courtesy" when those people also have such a different view on things as common as eating meat. There is no community sense of "the right thing". For some people the prevailing moral cue is to not chance an animal bothering or endangering others on an airplane. and for others its not letting the animal feel abandoned or being endangered at a kennel. Another problem is that air travel can be overly stressing for both humans and animals. A lot of people don't adequately train their animals to be in a foreign, cramped, crowded environment like that. But Ive also seen my fair share of humans completely lose their cool while traveling.
Halloweverybody is offline  
Old Apr 23, 19, 8:38 am
  #14  
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: NYC
Programs: DL DM
Posts: 348
There is a procedure for taking dogs on planes that are not true Service Animals: they stay in their approved carrier, under the seat, for the duration of the flight. If they don't fit in the carrier (with room to turn around), they don't fly.

I'm also a dog owner, but there's such rampant abuse of the system these days. If your dog can't fit under the seat, and you're not willing to send your dog as Cargo, perhaps you should consider driving, or leaving your dog at home.
campy, Gerbs and downinit like this.
MikeNYC1 is offline  
Old Apr 23, 19, 8:55 am
  #15  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Programs: DL 1 million, AA 1 mil, HH lapsed Diamond, Marriott Plat
Posts: 28,192
I've had some discussion with another moderator. This topic isn't Delta-specific. Use of comfort animals is substantially regulated by the DOT - and they have generously (foolishly?) permitted much the same standards as for service animals, use of which is a right by the Air Carrier Access Act. Write your congress-person.

Delta was the first of the big carriers to apply further restrictions to comfort animals.

Jan. 19, 2018Delta Air Lines said on Friday that it was tightening its rules for transporting service and support animals in an effort to reduce misbehavior by dogs and other creatures that air carriers are required by law to allow on board.

Service dogs are specially trained to aid people with disabilities. Emotional support animals provide comfort and companionship to their owners and do not require coaching.

Delta, which carries nearly 250,000 such animals a year, said that starting March 1, it would require documentation about their health and, in some instances, a promise of good conduct. The new rules make Delta’s policy among the most demanding among major carriers.


www.nytimes.com/2018/01/19/business/delta-airlines-service-animals.html

Here's a relevant federal regulation, 14 CFR § 382.117 - Must carriers permit passengers with a disability to travel with service animals?

www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/382.117


Thread locked.

3Cforme - Delta Forum Moderator
jinglish likes this.

Last edited by 3Cforme; Apr 23, 19 at 11:50 am
3Cforme is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Search Engine: