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The Captain has ultimate authority.
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Originally Posted by ftv
(Post 30731090)
The Captain has ultimate authority.
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Originally Posted by JoelThomas
(Post 30730100)
Honest question from a FO that has sat up front no more than five times total..
I know it's assumed that the front lav is for F pax only. I have made the same assumption numerous times. But is it spelled out anywhere? Honestly just asking. It's not enforced uniformly. |
Originally Posted by sprika
(Post 30701527)
Literally asking for a friend...I searched for something more closely related, but they were all outdated...so even though this is kind of the opposite to the original situation- this thread seemed most appropriate. I gifted my friends 2 AS upgrades so they could fly in F for the first time. I recently asked one of them how it was, and was baffled by her response. Apparently, after reaching cruising, the pilot came out for a break to use the lav. My friend really "had to go" and was anxiously watching the seat belt sign and the lav occupied sign. The pilot came out and lingered for a while in the galley. Since the lav occupied sign was now off, another pax approached the FA to use the facilities and was told to use the lavatory in the back (we're not sure if this pax was from Y or F). My friends were sitting in row 1, so the heard the whole thing. After hearing this, my friend got up and used the lav in the back too. When she came back to her seat, she was very loudly chastised by the FA who said, "I tried to tell you, but you got up and left too quickly--- but you are supposed to remain seated while the pilot is out of the cockpit". My friend was really embarrassed- now were all wondering--- why the mixed messages? Why did the FA have to be so loud about it? Since when is that the policy? Is that true for only F class? Anyone have any thoughts?
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Originally Posted by defrosted
(Post 30729095)
Exactly! People complain about people who speed on the internet ALL the time.
If I was going to use the lav in F when seated in Y because the F lav is the one of easiest convenience and an FA tells me I can't and need to use the Y lavs, I'll listen so as to avoid a meeting with police when we land even if I think the FA is wrong for enforcing this. But if the FA isn't making such requests then I'll continue to use the lav of best convenience, be it the lav in the front or the back of the plane. |
Originally Posted by ATOBTTR
(Post 30735603)
It's not the same as speeding. Speeding is black and white and is a defined law. Either you're speeding (and thus violating the law) or you are not. A police officer will exercise judgement in whether to pull you over and even in whether to give you a warning or a ticket (as will a judge if you choose to argue in court) but whether one is speeding is black and white - again, you're either violating the law or you are not. Using the lav in the F cabin is not defined by law, except as noted earlier in this thread where on international flights to the US, passengers must use the lav in their assigned cabin per DHS regulations. It's not even a defined policy in the Contract of Carriage (that passengers must use the lavatory in their cabin). Now if an FA tells you not to use the forward lav when you're in Y and you disobey, you may find yourself being met by police for "not obeying the orders of a crew member", which is in the contract of carriage, but this is more akin to a parent or host telling you "you can't use the master bathroom in the house; you can only use the one connected to your bedroom or in your section of the house or the one in the main hallway" and you may face disciplinary actions or repercussions for violating that request but there's no law that says one cannot use only certain bathrooms in a house (but one may become guilty of trespassing if they violate the request of the homeowner and are asked to leave by the host but refuses to leave).
If I was going to use the lav in F when seated in Y because the F lav is the one of easiest convenience and an FA tells me I can't and need to use the Y lavs, I'll listen so as to avoid a meeting with police when we land even if I think the FA is wrong for enforcing this. But if the FA isn't making such requests then I'll continue to use the lav of best convenience, be it the lav in the front or the back of the plane. Excuse me, but I would never use the master bathroom as a visitor unless it's the only bathroom in the home or unless one is staying overnight on a boyfriend/girlfriend basis. IMO it's a private area. |
Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
(Post 30735970)
Excuse me, but I would never use the master bathroom as a visitor unless it's the only bathroom in the home or unless one is staying overnight on a boyfriend/girlfriend basis. IMO it's a private area. The way I see the forward lav is that I have to transit through the FC cabin to get to it. In my first apartment that’s how it was setup - 2 beds, two baths and you had to go through a bedroom to get to a bathroom. Just how it was setup. Same as the airplane. It’s not specifically the lav designated for the FC cabin. It’s simply a lav positioned at the forward section of the plane. I feel that way whether in F or Y. I do agree that passengers waiting should not be loitering in the FC cabin while they wait. |
Did you read the flyer talk "worst passenter" Grossly obese Y passenger goes to business lav and leaves door open as needs space and then asks FA to wipe his rear.
But Delta rules oked by FAA are separate lavs |
I think for all the people who replied on here “it’s sooooo offensive when people whip open the curtain and march up to F” it’s a two way street then. I’ve watched and I am currently watching F passengers on a 757 do the exact same thing. If if people don’t want Y coming into F then F needs to stay in F and not come back to Y. That little see through curtain needs to be a de facto brick wall once it’s closed. Fair is fair........... |
Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
(Post 30735970)
Excuse me, but I would never use the master bathroom as a visitor unless it's the only bathroom in the home or unless one is staying overnight on a boyfriend/girlfriend basis. IMO it's a private area. |
I don't like the food in coach. I'm going up to first class to eat there.
In other words, stay in your own cabin, people. Please? |
Originally Posted by zitsky
(Post 30742451)
I don't like the food in coach. I'm going up to first class to eat there.
In other words, stay in your own cabin, people. Please? The comparison with food is a straw-man. Better food/meals/snacks for the F cabin are part of the advertised service. "Dedicated lavatory" is not. People can also reasonably plan accordingly for food if in Y where a different meal is offered or no meal at all. Passengers either bring on their own food or buy food on board (or eat the meal that's served complimentary as the economy meal) or just go without as, no one is going to starve to death on a transcon flight. But relieving one's self is a different manner from food and thus is a ridiculous comparison. "When you gotta go you gotta go" and there are plenty of reasons one may not be able to hold it or wait for the drink service to end and the cart to clear the aisle. The way I see it, if I'm in Y, I simply have to pass through the F cabin to get the lav, just as I usually have to pass through the F cabin to get to Y when boarding when I'm in Y. If an FA decides to instruct me not to use the forward lav, then I'll listen under the "following crewmember instructions" but if the rear lavs are full and the forward lav is open, I'll continue to use the that lav if it's available and the rear lavs are not or if the rear lavs are blocked by the service cart. |
That's a stupid question. If there is one lav, everyone uses it.
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Originally Posted by zitsky
(Post 30742999)
That's a stupid question. If there is one lav, everyone uses it.
And of course you dodged the rest of it. Who uses it when it sits between two cabins? Like the lavs by 2L and 2R on a 757-300? Can F pax use it? Only F pax? Only C+ & Y? Do F pax get priority if there's a wait? |
Originally Posted by ATOBTTR
(Post 30743092)
It was in response to a silly blanket statement of "In other words, stay in your own cabin, people. Please". Since you've already indicated there is an exception, it's clear there are plenty of reasonable exceptions and circumstances.
And of course you dodged the rest of it. Who uses it when it sits between two cabins? Like the lavs by 2L and 2R on a 757-300? Can F pax use it? Only F pax? Only C+ & Y? Do F pax get priority if there's a wait? |
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